Ranchers vs BLM Oregon this time

[idiom]

When was the last time the militia attacked innocent people?

General consensus is that people don't blow themselves up unless they have a serious fucking grudge. Its possible you don't know why they have a grudge or what your country did, in that case it is called blowback.

 

[Origanalist]

I did some research - it looks like they were all 100% local residents. They did a straw poll at the beginning and the way the Sheriff worded the question was really confusing, it was like he worded 99% of it so that everybody could agree - we all want this to end safely with no body getting hurt, and the men at the complex go back home to their families.. so even if you wanted them to stay, you could answer "yes" to that question and nearly everybody raised their hand.. A lot of the media has spun that into them not supporting the men at the complex and wanting them to go home.. but one article I read actually did talk about how most of the people at the meeting seemed supportive of them and the cause they are fighting for.

There is a huge sentiment that the locals are angry at them, don't support them and want them to go home.. but it sounds more like they just want to prevent violence, but they are mostly pretty glad that someone is taking a stand and support what they are fighting for.

That would make sense, leave it to media and LE to make anything confused and hard to understand.

 

[UWDude]

get your facts right before posting bullshit like this.

for starters, Bundy DOES NOT have a twitter account.

http://factually.gizmodo.com/no-ammon-bundy-didnt-compare-his-militia-to-rosa-parks-1751353105

you go right ahead and be the best boot licker you can. Post a tube. I want to see you on your knees slobbering over a size 14.

Chill bitch!

Regardless of whether he has a twitter account or not, (and since it was a farce, I will retract this standoff is a historically big deal, it isn't, until I see a clear sign otherwise). So his twitter account wasn't shut off after clarifying the difference between BLM and #BLM. All that means is I am wrong about the gravity of this situation.

HOWEVER

Fraternizing with those who intend to kill you, especially in Oregon, is the best way to win. If you befriend your enemy, it is TWICE AS GOOD as killing them. The reserves are full of gun toting conservatives. They empathize. Those being called up are going to question their mission. MAKE THEM QUESTION IT.

 

[Thor]

Timothy McVeigh?

Really? Watch this movie and get back to me.... www.anoblelie.com

 

[Ender]

As usual, Grigg puts this all in amazing perspective.

"This Is Government Land": The Eternal Refrain of the Federal Occupiers

By William Norman Grigg

Pro Libertate Blog

Without seeking permission, a small group of defiant armed men seized control of coveted property in Oregon. They weren’t welcomed by local residents, some of whom petitioned the government to evict the intruders from federally administered land.

Rather than sending in the troops to uproot the uninvited settlers, the U.S. government told the local residents to accommodate them even as they put up fences and started to run cattle on the land they had seized. This destroyed the local agricultural balance, leaving many of the locals near starvation.

Hunger can drive a man to do desperate things, especially when its effects are visible in the faces of his children. Driven beyond forbearance, many of the locals resorted to violence. Although federal authorities were unimpressed by the pleas of starving people, they acted with alacrity to put down what they considered an armed insurrection, driving the locals from the scene and conferring title to the land on those who had occupied it illegally.

This is how the Paiutes were evicted from what is now Harney County, Oregon, the 10,000-square-mile territory that serves as backdrop to the ongoing occupation of vacant federal buildings by a small group calling itselfCitizens for Constitutional Freedom. Led by Ammon and Ryan Bundy, the armed group seized control of the small cluster of buildings on the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge outside of Burns. They resolve to stay there until the federal government relinquishes control over the land to the county.

The CCF’s defiance of federal “authority” – which thus far has not involved violence — has been denounced as “trespassing,” “terrorism,” and “treason.” Yet the original white settlement of the county was done illegally. In that instance, the Feds made common cause with law-breakers (and, if you will, terrorists) to dispossess the uncooperative Paiutes, who had been promised the land as part of a peace agreement.

Harney County was named after General William S. Harney, who rose to prominence during a punitive expedition in the 1850s to “chastise” restive Sioux for organizing armed resistance against white encroachment on lands supposedly guaranteed to them by treaty. In the 1860s, the outpost named after the general was established not far (in relative terms) from present-day Burns.

Fort Harney played a key role in the “Snake War,” a four-year campaign to subdue and assimilate the Paiute and Shoshone Indians in Idaho, Oregon, and Nevada. That relatively obscure conflict was, in the words of historian Gregory Michno, “the deadliest Western Indian war in American history.”

One federal objective in the Snake War was to break the resistance of the Paiutes and confine them in a reservation. As originally constituted in 1872, the Malheur Reservation encompassed some 1,778,560 acres of land supposedly set aside for the use of nomadic Indian bands who had lived in the region since time immemorial.

An official named Samuel Parrish was appointed as Indian Agent in 1873, and he endeared himself to the Paiutes by treating them respectfully and dealing with them equitably. His replacement, Harrison Linville, was a more typical bureaucratic specimen, padding his requisitions and charging extortionate prices for rations which the Indians had been promised during peace negotiations.During Linville’s tenure, records a Paiute tribal history, “stockmen and ranchers were pressuring the government to turn over reservation lands for settlement and grazing of cattle. They were not even waiting for a federal mandate but began to run their livestock and even build ranch homes on the reservation.” Contention over the area near Fort Harney was especially acute: The Paiutes gathered camas roots – a staple of their diet — in the fertile valley. The arrival of cattle made this impossible.

Rather than treating those ranchers as terrorists or subversives for unlawfully seizing land held in trust by the federal government, the administration of President U.S. Grant simply ratified the illegal seizures.

In 1876, President Grant “ordered the northern shores of Malheur Lake open for settlement,” thereby cutting off another important harvest area from the Paiutes. Compounding the injury with an insult, Grant appointed William Rinehart, a veteran of the Snake War, as the Indian Agent.

During the war, Rinehart had made himself notorious for advocating the utter extermination of the Paiutes. He also opposed the relative leniency displayed in the peace terms proposed by General George S. Crook.

“Tell your people that the Big Father in Washington has sent me here,” Rinehart told the Paiutes by way of an interpreter. “He told me how I must make you all good people. This land which you are living on is government land. If you do well and are willing to work for the government, government will give you work.”

What Rinehart didn’t explain was that the Paiutes were expected to work, but not to make a living, because he intended to follow General Sherman’s infamous dictum that the only “good” Indians were those no longer found among the living. As Indian Agent in the Malheur Reservation, Rinehart continued his effort to consign the Paiutes to oblivion, choking off their rations and allowing white settlers to invade Paiute lands at will.

In her memoirs, the redoubtable Sarah Winnemucca recorded routine incidents of abuse under Rinehart’s administration, such as arresting a Paiute boy named Johnny and threatening him with summary execution for stealing beef to feed his starving family. On another occasion, one of Rinehart’s agents beat a small, old, emaciated Paiute “almost to death for no good reason,” Sarah recalled.

Paiute Chief Egan confronted Rinehart in a bid to stave off extinction.

“Did the government tell you to come here and drive us off this reservation?” the Paiute Chief demanded to know. “Did the Big Father say, go and kill us all off, so you can have our land? Did he tell you to pull our children’s ears off, and put handcuffs on them, and carry a pistol to shoot us with? We want to know how the government came by this land. Is the government mightier than our Spirit-Father, or is he our Spirit-Father? Oh, what have we done that he is to take all from us that he has given us? His white children have come and taken all our mountains, and all our valleys, and all our rivers; and now, because he has given us this little place without our asking him for it, he sends you here to tell us to go away.”

Within a few years, the Paiutes joined in the regional uprising called the Bannock War. After putting down the Indian insurgency, the victorious Feds rounded up every Paiute they could find for transport to Washington’s Yakima reservation. Those who evaded federal custody melted into the hills throughout the ION (Idaho-Oregon-Nevada) region.

General Crook, the U.S Army’s most accomplished Indian fighter, candidly admitted that the Bannock War was provoked by the government he had served with such distinction.

“It cannot be expected that they will stay on reservations where there is no possible way to get food, and see their wives and children starve and die around them,” Crook wrote of the Paiutes and Shoshones. “We have taken their lands, deprived them of every means of living…Our Indian policy has resolved itself into a question of warpath or starvation; and, merely being human, many of them will choose the former alternative where death shall be at least glorious.”

Then, as now, the government-aligned media was less conciliatory than some military leaders, demanding nothing other than the annihilation of radicals and militants unwilling to submit to “authority.” “It was not the want of food which started them upon the warpath, but their savage thirst for blood, which had not been restrained and prevented by proper discipline and Governmental supervision,” sneered the war-crazed editor of the Idaho Statesman.

There are distant echoes of that attitude among left-leaning commentators who have described the CCF stand-off as a confrontation with domestic terrorists who should be regarded as little better than drone bait. The FBI – architects of slaughter at Ruby Ridge and Waco, and the chief choreographer for “homeland security theater” operations involving spurious terrorism plots – is preparing criminal charges against at least five members of the group.

For their part, the CCF is well-entrenched and resolved to remain where they are until the Feds yield control of the land back to the locals.

While their means have prompted widespread criticism, the CCF’s cause is one that resonates with rural westerners, including at least some of the ranchers who live nearby, and have seen many of their neighbors and colleagues driven away by the Feds. Ranchers and others living on federally administered lands haven’t yet been confronted with the grim alternatives described by General Crook – “warpath or starvation” – but the engineered destruction of their livelihood is encouraging a healthy and understandable militancy among many of them.

During my visit to the scene of the stand-off the CCF was in discussion with some of the local ranchers who had provided them with food and other material support.

“When you really think about it,” one member of the group admitted to me outside the Refuge headquarters building, “this land really belongs to the Indians anyway.”

Whatever else one might say about the CCF, the motives animating its occupation are much more commendable than those of the squatters who illegally occupied Harney County in the 1870s. The same Regime that made “settlers” and “county fathers” out of the first occupiers is determined to cage or kill the CCF in the service of the same principle expressed by the execrable Indian Agent William Rinehart: “This is government land.”

 

[TheNewYorker]

Well the Indians are coming out against the Bundy crew, saying that the ranchers have no right to protest, because it's really Indian land anyway.

I think the Indians just lost all credibility.

If the Indians were smart they would be on the side of the ranchers. It wasn't the ranchers that took Indian land, it was the feds. And now they are allying themselves with the feds???

You better watch out, Indians. Next stop for the BLM will be your reservations.

 

[Weston White]

Timothy McVeigh?

Really?

After receiving Nichols’ sworn declaration that McVeigh was an undercover army operative, attorney Jesse Trentadue was prevented from gaining access to depose Nichols by a federal judge. The judge in McVeigh’s own case also placed sensitive documents obtained by the defense during discovery under seal, documents that the producer of Oklahoma City bombing documentary “A Noble Lie” claims prove these connections.

https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-305-the-secret-life-of-timothy-mcveigh/

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Really? Watch this movie and get back to me.... www.anoblelie.com

Yeah, I was actually alive and adult when it happened. I kinda know the details inside and out. So, thanks anyway.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Really?



https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-305-the-secret-life-of-timothy-mcveigh/

Yeah, and 9/11 was done by radio controlled martians operated via a Sega console under the command of Dick Cheney.

Sometimes a pile of shit is just a pile of shit.

 

[Thor]

Yeah, I was actually alive and adult when it happened. I kinda know the details inside and out. So, thanks anyway.

So was I. Are these details what you saw in and on the newz? Or have you really done some digging. But thanks for playing...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

So was I. Are these details what you saw in and on the newz? Or have you really done some digging. But thanks for playing...

I didn't trust the 'news' then either. I always dig. Every-fucking-thing is not a conspiracy.

 

[Thor]

I didn't trust the 'news' then either. I always dig. Every-fucking-thing is not a conspiracy.

Agreed, but some thing are. And a whole lot of stuff from OKC does not add up. So to answer your previous post: "Timothy McVeigh?" Since it was a question, the answer is NO.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Agreed, but some thing are. And a whole lot of stuff from OKC does not add up. So to answer your previous post: "Timothy McVeigh?" Since it was a question, the answer is NO.

LOL okay. Since you claim sure knowledge, I'm going to assume that you were his CIA handler.

 

[Thor]

LOL okay. Since you claim sure knowledge, I'm going to assume that you were his CIA handler.

Well, do share what you found in your digging... I would be interested to hear it... And if you want to see what others doing digging found, check out the movie... and then refute it. In my view, a patsy is not a terrorist.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Well, do share what you found in your digging... I would be interested to hear it... And if you want to see what others doing digging found, check out the movie... and then refute it. In my view, a patsy is not a terrorist.

I never said he was a terrorist. He was an American militia guy who killed innocents. That was the question, and that was the answer. I totally sympathized with his cause, Ruby Ridge was the work of psychopaths, and most people didn't GAF. Doesn't mean I'm okay with what he did. Patsy or not he and Nichols built and loaded the explosives, and he set the charges, drove the truck, and lit the fuse. Having someone cajoling you to do it (assuming for the sake of argument that actually happened) doesn't excuse what he did any more than "I was just following orders" excused the Nazis.

 

[Thor]

I never said he was a terrorist. He was an American militia guy who killed innocents. That was the question, and that was the answer. I totally sympathized with his cause, Ruby Ridge was the work of psychopaths, and most people didn't GAF. Doesn't mean I'm okay with what he did. Patsy or not he and Nichols built and loaded the explosives, and he set the charges, drove the truck, and lit the fuse. Having someone cajoling you to do it (assuming for the sake of argument that actually happened) doesn't excuse what he did any more than "I was just following orders" excused the Nazis.

Ok, but I would still like to hear about the research you did.... as there was more to it than just cajoling... again, watch the movie...

 

[JK/SEA]

LIVE STREAMING NOW...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGig2-e82EY

more local militia and resident ranchers coming into the area now.

 

[Lucille]

The testimony of Christian Yingling in the strange case of the sociopath/agent provocateur Ryan Payne
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-testimony-of-christian-yingling-in.html

What you are all witnessing right now right now in Oregon has the makings of a full on false flag event. And I will prove that to you to the absolute best of my ability. Should you choose to look at this from a logical perspective you will see I am 100% correct. Some of what I will tell you is speculation based on my own experience and experiences of others I have talked to throughout this ordeal, but most of what I am going to tell you is documented verifiable fact.

Back during the Bundy situation, Ryan Payne declared himself the unofficial "leader" of the militias present at the Bundy ranch. Nothing could have been further from the truth. In fact, none of the militias listened to him at all. The ONLY ones who listened to him were the Bundy's, Blaine Cooper, who Payne claimed was a "professional security consultant', who turned out to be nothing more than an ex con, and buddah bear (nice name) who he also claimed was a "professional security consultant", but was later discovered to be nothing more than a tattoo artist thug. The militias ignoring these three, is precisely why that situation didn't turn into a blood bath. (Strangely enough all three are present at the refuge.)
[...]
Now to those of you who are buying into this whole "this will galvanize the movement line of crap".. What this is REALLY going to do is crush the patriot movement. They are going to hit these people with such force with such blinding speed and a level of violence of action that most patriots are going to turn and look at their own children and go there's no way in HELL I want that to happen to MY family... thus the reason there are women and Children being taken to the refuge. The govt has already shown at WACO and Ruby Ridge just how willing they are to kill American Children. Don't think for a second they wont do it here as well. All the classic signs of a psyop. They plan to frighten the people into not even daring to ever take a stand against them again.

So what then of the militias? We'll still be here but will be forced into hiding.. those who aren't will be scooped up and charged as Domestic Terrorists. Do you for even ONE second really believe that this happening at the same time as Obama prepares to announce a whole new slew of gun restrictions is really a coincidence? Its not.. Not at all. What this is going to be used for is an EXCUSE to show why we need to disarm the American people for their own safety.. or put into place such SEVERE restrictions on owning firearms that we will NEVER be able to properly defend ourselves against a tyrannical govt. Hitler did it... Stalin did it... Mao did it... now Obama's doing it. History is repeating itself in front of our own eyes and we're too blinded by raw emotion to recognize it.

Lots more at the link.

 

[phill4paul]

LIVE STREAMING NOW...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGig2-e82EY

more local militia and resident ranchers coming into the area now.

Do you know if this livestream and the news trucks in the background are up by the HQ or are they offsite? One thing that is different from the Branch Dividians is that technology has come a long way.

 

[JK/SEA]

Do you know if this livestream and the news trucks in the background are up by the HQ or are they offsite? One thing that is different from the Branch Dividians is that technology has come a long way.

the live stream by Pete Santilli is directly from the refuge visitor center