Ranchers vs BLM Oregon this time

[sparebulb]

LIVE STREAM FROM OREGON.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvpqCo-hT30#t=11119

"Video was interrupted"

 

[JK/SEA]

"Video was interrupted"

yep...right after i posted the link. The stream i did get to see, they were talking about the 3% from Idaho showing up, then black...

Lori said in a posting they are working on getting it back up.

also, they are having a big meeting with Bundy right now.

Sheriff Ward went out and asked them to leave...they politly declined.

 

[JK/SEA]

NEW LINK...ITS BACK UP...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvpqCo-hT30#t=11119

 

[Origanalist]

Lol, who is the joker they have on the feed?

 

[Thor]

I find it almost comical that everyone says "I don't agree with what they did, but..." These guys, Rep Walden, etc. Nobody wants to publicly paint themselves a target for the government to investigate them... Point is, if they did not do what they did, no one would be talking about it all... so I AGREE with what they did. Otherwise NONE of this would have come out for discussion. Everyone wants their cake and to eat it too... "Oh they did a bad thing, but now let's talk about it." No bad thing, no talk... that simple.

It doesn't even strike you as possible that they are simply being honest, that they really don't approve of what Ammon Bundy is doing, but still hate the BLM and what they did to the Hammonds and what they are doing to local ranchers?

these old guys aren't stupid. I think they're being coy and using stealth tactics to confuse the FEDS.

cops use the same tactics with mundanes, its called white lying. Reverse psy-ops. Pretty sure these old guys approve under their breathe.

Thank you JK/SEA. Like I said, not many in the public eye have said.... "I agree with their standoff." But everyone is talking about the BLM, and FWS, the treatment of the ranchers, the land grabs, the unjust laws they are being imprisoned under, and everything else because of their standoff. No standoff, no discussions. So someone needs to give credit for them getting the discussions to this point. Ammon is smarter than he is being given credit for, as long as it does not go down Waco style.

Everyone in the public eye on camera is too scared to say, "Thanks to these guys holed up, we are having this talk." Because if they didn't do what they did, there would be no talking about this. Can't have the talk without the actions that created the environment for the talks to occur. Everyone is just to afraid to stick their neck out and say "good for them for forcing the issue."

Some might not agree with what they did; but some are too scare to say publicly they support it for fear of being painted as a militia sympathizer.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Well I, for one, tend to take people at their word until they prove themselves untrustworthy. Maybe I just come from a different era.

 

[pcosmar]

Some might not agree with what they did; but some are too scare to say publicly they support it for fear of being painted as a militia sympathizer.

I am,, and have been such a "sympathizer" .

I am an observer.
I do not buy the Sheriffs offer for a second,, that was a trap.

I also do not expect "waco". though it may get real interesting if the Fed Goons try to bum rush the place.

 

[Valli6]

In the future, it will be recognized as civil disobedience.

 

[dannno]

It doesn't even strike you as possible that they are simply being honest, that they really don't approve of what Ammon Bundy is doing, but still hate the BLM and what they did to the Hammonds and what they are doing to local ranchers?

Did you watch the videos? It sounds like you didn't but you seriously should.. The one guy said, paraphrasing, that he doesn’t agree with what they did BUT HE WANTS THEM TO STAY THERE.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Did you watch the videos? It sounds like you didn't but you seriously should.. The one guy said, paraphrasing, that he doesn’t agree with what they did BUT HE WANTS THEM TO STAY THERE.

So, if they aren't saying what you want them to say, you would just assume they are lying?

 

[dannno]

So, if they aren't saying what you want them to say, you would just assume they are lying?

Huh? I haven't come out in favor or against whether they should have carried this action out, I'm a bit torn - but - I do support them, hope for their safety and more importantly I support the cause they are fighting for.

My only point was that you were saying they don't approve of what they did - they are saying they don't approve while also saying they are glad they are there and want them to stay. Take that however you want.

 

[dannno]

Short vid from the town hall in Burns, Oregon.

Does anybody know who was at this town hall? Was it all or at least primarily local residents?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Huh? I haven't come out in favor or against whether they should have carried this action out, I'm a bit torn - but - I do support them, hope for their safety and more importantly I support the cause they are fighting for.

My only point was that you were saying they don't approve of what they did - they are saying they don't approve while also saying they are glad they are there and want them to stay. Take that however you want.

I take it to mean that they don't approve of what they did, but that they are glad they are there and want them to stay.

Why would anyone take it any differently?

 

[idiom]

 

[dannno]

When was the last time the militia attacked innocent people?

 

[dannno]

Does anybody know who was at this town hall? Was it all or at least primarily local residents?

I did some research - it looks like they were all 100% local residents. They did a straw poll at the beginning and the way the Sheriff worded the question was really confusing, it was like he worded 99% of it so that everybody could agree - we all want this to end safely with no body getting hurt, and the men at the complex go back home to their families.. so even if you wanted them to stay, you could answer "yes" to that question and nearly everybody raised their hand.. A lot of the media has spun that into them not supporting the men at the complex and wanting them to go home.. but one article I read actually did talk about how most of the people at the meeting seemed supportive of them and the cause they are fighting for.

There is a huge sentiment that the locals are angry at them, don't support them and want them to go home.. but it sounds more like they just want to prevent violence, but they are mostly pretty glad that someone is taking a stand and support what they are fighting for.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

When was the last time the militia attacked innocent people?

Timothy McVeigh?

 

[dannno]

Timothy McVeigh?

Timothy McVeigh is an individual with a questionable background - as a group I don't think they've done anything... and I think I recall something about him not really being active in militias or being some kinda spook or something.

But I mean that's almost like saying the Boy Scouts of America are a terrorist organization because one time a Boy Scout was involved in a mass shooting or something.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Timothy McVeigh is an individual with a questionable background - as a group I don't think they've done anything... and I think I recall something about him not really being active in militias or being some kinda spook or something.

But I mean that's almost like saying the Boy Scouts of America are a terrorist organization because one time a Boy Scout was involved in a mass shooting or something.

I do not believe that militias are terrorists. I was just answering your question. McVeigh was almost certainly acting alone, but it was a militia minded retribution for Ruby Ridge he claimed as his motivation. I dunno if he was active or not, but he claimed militia, and innocent people did die. I for one do not believe militia are terrorists, but it's probably not an effective argument to say they've never hurt or attacked innocents, because someone will point to McVeigh or Eric Rudolph and you'll end up losing more ground than you gain.

 

[UWDude]

I take it to mean that they don't approve of what they did, but that they are glad they are there and want them to stay.

Why would anyone take it any differently?

Because they understand the effects of fear. There would be millions of people saying what they thought, if they didn't think big brother was watching, or maybe their boss. Instead they say they oppose the actions, but "maybe" support the cause. Same thing with OWS.