Ranchers vs BLM Oregon this time

[XNavyNuke]

George Washington was against the Boston Tea Party as were most Americans until the Brits began their punishment of Boston. This brought many colonials together.

http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-boston-tea-party

From the link:
George Washington Condemned The Boston Tea Party

Well......not exactly. He clearly had a alternate viewpoint being a Virginian. That is not the same as condemnation.

From his 1774 letter to Bryan Fairfax while discussing the Boston situation.
http://founders.archives.gov/GEWN-02-10-02-0081

. That I differ very widely from you, in respect to the mode of obtaining a defeat [repeal] of the acts so much and so justly complained of, I shall not hesitate to acknowledge; and that this difference in opinion may probably proceed from the different constructions we put upon the conduct and intention of the ministry may also be true; but, as I see nothing, on the one hand, to induce a belief that the Parliament would embrace a favorable opportunity of repealing acts, which they go on with great rapidity to pass, and in order to enforce their tyrannical system; and, on the other, I observe, or think I observe, that government is pursuing a regular plan at the expense of [422] law and justice to overthrow our constitutional rights and liberties, how can I expect any redress from a measure, which has been ineffectually tried already? For, Sir, what is it we are contending against? Is it against paying the duty of three pence per pound on tea because burthensome?

He differed with the approach, but absolutely agreed with the need to address the tax. There were various protests during these years, but it was not any British response to protesters that ultimately unified the colonies into action. Instead it was a unilateral action against the communities of Concord, Lexington, and Menotomy that was the galvanizing event. Even previous powder raids did not have this effect.

XNN

 

[Thor]

Guys, at this point I have to say, I don't think this story would be getting covered at all in my part of the country if the Bundy's hadn't done something conspicuous.

I think that is very accurate. If Bundy had not shown up, the Hammonds would have quietly turned themselves in and nobody would be even talking about this. Would Lou Dobbs talk about 2 ranchers that turned themselves in if Bundy and crew had not done what they did? So for a "stupid white rancher", he has gotten the whole country aware of what has happened. What is disturbing though is all the liberal bootlickers who come out on social media and want them all "removed."

So if it was stupid of Bundy or not to do what he did, he is getting awareness everywhere, that otherwise would have been a silent victory for the government as the Hammonds quietly went to the klink, again....

 

[Deborah K]

Does anyone remember the Battle of Athens? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)

Date
August 1–2, 1946

Location
Athens, Tennessee, United States
35.442°N 84.592°WCoordinates: 35.442°N 84.592°W

Result
McMinn County government forced to disband, replaced by new government

Belligerents

Local World War II veterans and other citizens McMinn County Sheriff's Department

 

[Pericles]

Let's bomb some FREEDOM into Oregon. They will surely view us as liberators.

And then they should be forced to buy health care for their own good.

 

[Pericles]

Lou Dobb just did a couple segments on the Hammonds on the Fox Business channel.
First and only proper mainstream coverage I've seen yet!

Dobbs is real pissed - says they're persecuting the two ranchers, ridiculous to charge them as terrorists, and the US attorney that re-sentenced them is "beneath contempt". Apparently the jury was not made aware that they were trying the ranchers on terrorism charges? He's asking "Where's Oregon's congressional delegation?" "Why isn't anyone standing up for these ranchers?" and quoting Madison.

Also interviewed John O'Keefe who is the head of the Oregon Cattleman's Association. All agree the Bundy's shouldn't be doing what they're doing.

Guys, at this point I have to say, I don't think this story would be getting covered at all in my part of the country if the Bundy's hadn't done something conspicuous. I live in the east, and we have no concept of how ranching works out there in the wide open spaces. Too easy to fool us! I only know what I know about it now, because I read what you all say and then did some research.

While true, the militia guys there have put themselves into a situation where they have little tactical flexibility and have to come away with a win, or do great damage to the movement. You want to be able to manage the conflict to your advantage.

I even know of a book written about just how to do that.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Hoping for the best, expecting the worst. A lot of the guys around the Bundy's seem shady, and the entire situation just doesn't feel right. Nevertheless, I have a lot of respect for Cliven Bundy and his children. I just think they may be a little overzealous for their own good and it may come to bite them this time. I will pray that the situation remedies itself in a peaceful and productive manner.

 

[dannno]

 

[Schifference]

has any crime been committed as of this moment? Can all people just decide to go home? Can anyone just decide to go home without being prosecuted?

 

[Origanalist]

has any crime been committed as of this moment? Can all people just decide to go home? Can anyone just decide to go home without being prosecuted?

They can charge them, whether they will or not remains to be seen. Trespassing on federal property and probably a whole host of things you and I never thought of. I'm sure they could charge them with a lot that carries significant prison time, just look at the Hammonds.

 

[Thor]

has any crime been committed as of this moment? Can all people just decide to go home? Can anyone just decide to go home without being prosecuted?

I heard they needed snacks... maybe they should order some delivery pizza and tip the guy with a white flag... I think if they wanted to make 'merika aware of the issue, they have succeeded at their task.... no need to keep it going. Everyone knows what the BLM and FWS did to the Hammonds, or will now that this has hit the spotlight. No need to fall on the sword too...

 

[dannno]

has any crime been committed as of this moment? Can all people just decide to go home? Can anyone just decide to go home without being prosecuted?

Check the vid I posted, the Hammonds got charged with terrorism for starting maintenance burns that got a little out of control, went off their property and ended up increasing the value of BLM land. The first judge said that it was unconstitutional to charge them with terrorism, and the feds came in and re-sentenced them under the terrorism charges.

You don't think they would charge the Bundy group with terrorism for taking over their building?

 

[sparebulb]

You don't think they would charge the Bundy group with terrorism for taking over their building?

That is too easy.

How many here would like to bet against me that the feds have multiple warrants ready to go against every Bundy and many others regarding the last event in NV?

Harry Reid is to be believed when he said that this is not over, from the Fed's point of view.

 

[Schifference]

Can food and supplies be delivered or would that be considered aiding?

 

[Origanalist]

Can food and supplies be delivered or would that be considered aiding?

I believe they already are.

 

[Deborah K]

Check the vid I posted, the Hammonds got charged with terrorism for starting maintenance burns that got a little out of control, went off their property and ended up increasing the value of BLM land. The first judge said that it was unconstitutional to charge them with terrorism, and the feds came in and re-sentenced them under the terrorism charges.

You don't think they would charge the Bundy group with terrorism for taking over their building?

I thought it was "the people's" building. I thought they were public servants. I thought the taxpayer was their employer. Oh yeah, we are!! We've just gotten so pussified that we've bought into the "us vs. them" thinking, so now it's THEIR building, and THEIR property! W.T.F.??? I know I've been saying this for years and years, but we need a tax revolt. Starve the beast! And we need more brave souls banding together, like the militia. Anyone who thinks they can just armchair quarterback this shit and hope for the best, or maybe just wait it out and watch it all burn down, and be there to pick up the pieces - is delusional.

 

[phill4paul]

I thought it was "the people's" building. I thought they were public servants. I thought the taxpayer was their employer. Oh yeah, we are!! We've just gotten so pussified that we've bought into the "us vs. them" thinking, so now it's THEIR building, and THEIR property! W.T.F.??? I know I've been saying this for years and years, but we need a tax revolt. Starve the beast! And we need more brave souls banding together, like the militia. Anyone who thinks they can just armchair quarterback this shit and hope for the best, or maybe just wait it out and watch it all burn down, and be there to pick up the pieces - is delusional.

6+ yrs. and still standing.

 

[Origanalist]

6+ yrs. and still standing.

Not six uninterrupted but probably 3 out the last 4 anyway. I don't think I paid a dime last year. (on wages)

 

[Dianne]

6+ yrs. and still standing.

You have probably missed out on a lot of money. You can owe no income tax whatsoever and still get an earned income credit check in the mail in the amount of $4,000. to $5,000. depending on the amount of dependents you have.

 

[phill4paul]

You have probably missed out on a lot of money. You can owe no income tax whatsoever and still get an earned income credit check in the mail in the amount of $4,000. to $5,000. depending on the amount of dependents you have.

Money is not important to me. Not filing is.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZywsT8Sy-c



this is not the first time the Federal government imprisons people for land grabs and money by making examples out of innocent people thrown in prison just to redefine laws or enforce existing bullshit