Ranchers vs BLM Oregon this time

[tod evans]

"One group called for more government, government funding, government enforcement, government investigations and special privileges granted by government...
The other is telling government to go away. "

Black Lives Matter says the police ought to go away from them. Aren't police a part of the government? Hmmm?

You're contradictions have screwed up this movement and using RPF boards to forment violence and terrorism and treason is about as far away from Ron Paul as you can get. And don't think Rand is going to come into this situation to save your arses. Remember, you're the (ahem) bad people, fringe types Jesse Benton was talking about. Isn't that right Collins? If the mods don't drop your account, you've damned us all.

Got this from the Gawker comment section to prove my point:

"Black kids get 2 seconds to comply with law enforcement before they’re shot. These guys point guns at federal agents, and nothing happens. Mandatory minimum sentences are all well and fine with these guys when one person has a crack rock, yet not ok when 2 guys start a fire (which some people are saying was to cover evidence of poaching on federal land, but IDK) that destroyed many acres of public land.

It appears as though you're addressing me?

Have you actually read my posts about those stupid kids at the college in Mo.?

My position was very clearly articulated in that I moved for the townspeople to kick out the college and all associated parasites and raze the buildings in order to curtail government.

I've yet to comment on this latest thing in Or. other than to post articles...

I will say now though that I'm all for counties having full and complete control over land currently controlled by the feds and that includes colleges.

 

[69360]

I don't understand the goal of this. The 2 parties have said they intend to report to prison as ordered. So what do the militia intend to accomplish by taking the building?

I'm not necessarily against armed militias and don't really have a problem with armed protests. I just don't see the point here.

 

[Miss Annie]

I don't understand the goal of this. The 2 parties have said they intend to report to prison as ordered. So what do the militia intend to accomplish by taking the building?

I'm not necessarily against armed militias and don't really have a problem with armed protests. I just don't see the point here.

Yea,....... I am kinda wondering this too.
I am actually wondering if the militias have not been infiltrated by some CIA hacks that are getting them all lathered up because the timing of this and the executive action on gun control is just too convenient.

 

[tod evans]

I don't understand the goal of this. The 2 parties have said they intend to report to prison as ordered. So what do the militia intend to accomplish by taking the building?

I'm not necessarily against armed militias and don't really have a problem with armed protests. I just don't see the point here.

Bundy put out a video laying it out in his own words, I posted it on page 1......

 

[angelatc]

When the BLM shows up and realized that it might mean their lives upholding some stupid government objective they may not pursue this. I don't understand the mentality here. This may not be the best way to handle this but what are we supposed to do? Keep getting trampled on while begging for mercy???? These people never sleep and they never stop trying to ruin everything in their path. It's about fucking time someone says enough.

The problem with this scenario is that the people who broke into the building are the aggressors in this instance. If the other family (going to jail for the second time for the same "crime,") had holed in in their house and called for backup, there might have been a chance this would have appealed to the civil libertarians on the left. Instead, those guys rolled over without even whimpering. This militia rode in to make a statement about people who don't even want to make a statement.

 

[69360]

Bundy put out a video laying it out in his own words, I posted it on page 1......

Yes, but the Bundy son is going against the explicitly stated wishes of the Oregon family. To me it seems like he just wants trouble for the sake of trouble.

 

[Badger Paul]

"So what do the militia intend to accomplish by taking the building?"

Martyrdom, just like ISIS.

 

[69360]

"So what do the militia intend to accomplish by taking the building?"

Martyrdom, just like ISIS.

Seems about right actually.

 

[Snowball]

Ammon Bundy should mind his own business, and the Hammonds
were convicted of arson on Federal Land.
This place has been a wildlife refuge since 1935.
Events such as this give a bad name to real freedom movements
and militias.
Our constitution provides for the protection and setting aside
of wild areas for conservation purposes.
We are welcome to some degree on these lands but are not
welcome to poach or burn it.
I suspect that the Hammonds and/or Ammon Bundy have an agenda
which is not what it seems.
Nobody should support these criminals.

The proper course is to cordon them off and allow them to starve
until they leave peaceably and prosecute them legally for wasting
resources and disrupting the peace.

 

[angelatc]

It was also reported that the land is in much better condition because of the burnings, but that report was not allowed in court.

My take is the Hammonds are accepting the double-dealings of .gov because their families are being threatened.

JMHPOV

I agree 100%. The government has taken their land and their money, but they're still willfully complying with a clearly unconstitutional sentence? There has to be something we are not being told.

 

[angelatc]

Our constitution provides for the protection and setting aside
of wild areas for conservation purposes.

Uhm, you might want to read it again.

 

[XNavyNuke]

That right there. This reeks of an opportunist trying to create conflict for what he perceives to be his benefit.

What does occupying a building achieve? If this is part of a plan, then a new General Staff is needed.

John Brown was seriously lacking a grand strategy during his raids through the Kansas territory, and ultimately Harpers Ferry. That said, his flagrant militarizing the abolitionist movement precipitated in a matter of months, what had been simmering for decades while the abolitionists tried to work through legal means - civil war.

XNN

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Harsher confinement if someone else of their own accord chooses to do something without your having asked them to? Ask for it in writing take it to a judge and get that DA thrown in prison.

Exactly. Just have the federal judge throw the federal prosecutor in prison. Sounds so simple when you spell it out in baaa's.

 

[angelatc]

In the video Noob posted (OP) tho objective of taking back land from the federal government and turning it over to the people of the county is the stated goal.

Maybe they should blow up the twin towers. That got us to give the Saudi's an airfield.

 

[XNavyNuke]

During jury deliberations, after the panel had only returned a partial verdict and appeared hung, the Feds offered the Hammonds a deal. They thought that signing off on the deal would cause the Feds to give them a pass during sentencing. It didn't work out that way and has now blown up in their face.

The bigger issue here is the mandatory sentencing guidelines. (Thank you a Drug War). When ACLU, Heritage, and CATO all have problems with these legislative mandates, you would think the media might pick up on that aspect.

XNN

 

[donnay]

From an email sent:

Dear Friends,

Today we are marching in Oregon to stand up for the Hammonds, it is bitter cold with plenty of snow on the ground but we will not waiver.

We wish you were here, but if not could we ask a small favor?

Would you please forward this Press Release to your local newspaper and TV outlets?

This is perhaps the simplest thing you can do to help the Hammonds, we must bring attention to them now.



FOR IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE:
CLIVEN D. BUNDY
PO Box 7175
Bunkerville, NV 89007
702-346-5564

January 1, 2016 - Bunkerville, NV USA

With great concern and love and much consideration from prayer, I come to you Harney County Sheriff of Oregon David M. Ward, rancher Steven Dwight Hammond, and rancher Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr.,

I, Cliven D. Bundy, have been involved for several weeks in the background striving to understand and comprehend your dilemmas in Harney County, Oregon. I understand that the grass that was burnt on each side of the fence was grazing rights that had been created through beneficial use, one side of the fence being private property and the other side of the fence being private property rights. The fires that were set were for a good purpose and had good results.

The United States Justice Department has NO jurisdiction or authority within the State of Oregon, County of Harney over this type of ranch management. These lands are not under U.S. treaties or commerce, they are not article 4 territories, and Congress does not have unlimited power. These lands have been admitted into statehood and are part of the great State of Oregon and the citizens of Harney County enjoy the fullness of the protections of the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution limits United States government.

It is my suggestion, Steven Hammond, that you go and check yourself into Harney County jail asking for protective custody. It is my suggestion, Dwight Hammond, that you go and check yourself into Harney County jail asking for protective custody. It is my suggestion, Harney County Sheriff David Ward, accept these two ranchers into your jail, notify the United States Solicitor in Washington DC that you have these two ranchers in Harney County jail, that they will remain there indefinitely under your protective custody and the protection of We the People of Harney County and We the People of the United States of America.

I suggest an Evidentiary Hearing or a Grand Jury be formed by We the People.

I feel that this action is immediately important, that it should be taken place before 10:00 am Saturday, January 2, 2016. I will hold these suggestions private until that time then I will release this letter to those having state and county jurisdiction and to the media.

Cliven D. Bundy




Hammond Family Facts & Events- http://holdingblock.blogspot.com/2015/12/fact-event-hammond-family.html?view=classic

BLM Destroys Ranches by Fire- https://youtu.be/KHyZQrMZ7lA


Ammon Bundy
ourchildrensfreedom.com

 

[erowe1]

What's the story behind this about the Hammond's? Why is their arrest considered unjust?

And how is doing this supposed to accomplish anything for them?

 

[donnay]

What's the story behind this about the Hammond's? Why is their arrest considered unjust?

And how is doing this supposed to accomplish anything for them?

The information is embedded in this thread.

 

[sparebulb]

Cliven seems has provided some good suggestions.

It is too bad that the Hammonds trial and deal went down the way it did. It sounds like they got some shitty legal advice.

It is hard to see a strategy for a good outcome.

 

[erowe1]

It is hard to see a strategy for a good outcome.

I agree. For those who are supportive of this, what good do you expect to come of it?