Radical Salafist terror attack in NY on Halloween

[Anti Federalist]

To absorb all the side effcts of recent decades foreign freedom projects and interventions in almost every continent around the globe , a robust and intrusive domestic militarized police state is almost an essential requirement.

Where "diversity" is widespread, the only thing that can keep everybody from each other's throats is a heavy handed police state.

 

[kahless]

Yup, doesn't add up. Likely some kind of patsy. Drugged maybe and remotely driven van?? Where are all the hatred-filled moozlims who want to kill us for our freedoms??

No, he is the real deal. What I meant in that last post was another story that does not bode well for Uber PR.

NYC Truck Attacker is Bragging About Killings And ISIS Strength While In The Hospital...
http://www.newsweek.com/nyc-attacker-bragging-hospital-isis-698399

 

[donnay]

Thank goodness he was a certified and bonafide driver who had been fully screened. Only the best extreme vetting will keep us all safe!

He probably took driving lessons in Florida. <s>

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Yup, doesn't add up. Likely some kind of patsy. Drugged maybe and remotely driven van??

Uh, no.

 

[kahless]

Except that you don't get your liberty piecemeal. By "shutting down all immigration", you are giving more power to the very state that is taking away what little freedom you have left. You either have to embrace liberty with the risks that come with it, or embrace tyranny with the false claim of security. We don't need MOAR state to restrict people from moving, or tracking us all, or moar restrictions on truck rentals, or moar surveillance, or any of that. Just more liberty. But with that, comes an acceptance that very few people will create havoc.

How does stopping people coming here from terrorist nations, "taking away what little freedom you have left"? By not stopping our enemies from immigrating here you will accelerate people to demand and government provide the very thing we are against.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Except that you don't get your liberty piecemeal. By "shutting down all immigration", you are giving more power to the very state that is taking away what little freedom you have left. You either have to embrace liberty with the risks that come with it, or embrace tyranny with the false claim of security. We don't need MOAR state to restrict people from moving, or tracking us all, or moar restrictions on truck rentals, or moar surveillance, or any of that. Just more liberty. But with that, comes an acceptance that very few people will create havoc.

Yup, agreed.

We can get rid of all that.

Lets just not invite in people dedicated to destroying liberty and creating havoc.

 

[otherone]

Thank you.

Just because he said "Allahu Akbar", people automatically jump to the conclusion he's some kind of Muslim extremist.

I dunno, pal. Even typing it is sketchy.
You've been noticed.

 

[TheTexan]

I dunno, pal. Even typing it is sketchy.
You've been noticed.

I'm not worried, I have nothing to hide.

Unlike most people here.

 

[kahless]

Yup, agreed.

We can get rid of all that.

Lets just not invite in people dedicated to destroying liberty and creating havoc.

How do you propose "getting rid of" the state function to "restrict people from moving" here from terrorist nations?

If you oppose controls on immigration then like I said above you will accelerate people to demand and for government provide the very things domestically that you are against - restrictions on American citizens.

 

[Swordsmyth]

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[Anti Federalist]

How do you propose "getting rid of" the state function to "restrict people from moving" here from terrorist nations?

If you oppose controls on immigration then like I said above you will accelerate people to demand and for government provide the very things domestically that you are against - restrictions on American citizens.

I took that to mean US citizens freely moving about the country, without TSA gate rapes and Constitution free zones and 24/7 surveillance.

 

[euphemia]

In my opinion, the diversity visa is unconstitutional. The Constitution guarantees equal protection under the law, and any law that prefers a special group of people does not provide equal protection for all.

Adding: This would be a good place to start on repealing laws. If a law prefers any specific groups of people, it should be repealed on Constitutional grounds.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Where "diversity" is widespread, the only thing that can keep everybody from each other's throats is a heavy handed police state.

Not quite. Everyone carrying a weapon is a better alternative. Do you have your pocket backup ready?

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

No, he is the real deal. What I meant in that last post was another story that does not bode well for Uber PR.

NYC Truck Attacker is Bragging About Killings And ISIS Strength While In The Hospital...
http://www.newsweek.com/nyc-attacker-bragging-hospital-isis-698399

Is he the real deal?? I'm sure we will never know for sure. The media lies, the goonerment lies, who are we supposed to take as "truth" in what is being said about this guy? Talk now going around that he's to be treated as a "enemy combatant" and you know what that means... There will be ZERO information about this guy but what the goonerment wants you to have. It's OK though, I'm sure your goonsquad would never lie about what he says or what he did...

 

[euphemia]

Not quite. Everyone carrying a weapon is a better alternative. Do you have your pocket backup ready?

A weapon is not always the answer. There is no weapon that would have helped in Las Vegas, and no weapon that would have helped people caught unaware on a pedestrian and bike path yesterday. At some point the liberty of American citizens has to be considered higher than some guy who has been training for jihad over in Iraq or whatever.

 

[oyarde]

Police announce today second man is sought in connection to attack . So it was a conspiracy .

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

I took that to mean US citizens freely moving about the country, without TSA gate rapes and Constitution free zones and 24/7 surveillance.

Most of the southern border and even more of the northern boarder is wide open. Ever seen the "border" of North Dakota with Canada? There are some neat posts every so many yards with "Canada" written on one side and "USA" written on the other side. There's no way you can ever "secure" this country. Why not just let the movement towards arming the people take care of any imagined problem? There's no way "terrorism" can be a problem if everyone is armed...

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Problem is, most people don't look at it that way, and will happily give up freedom to keep themselves "safe".

I would happily shut down all immigration, legal and illegal, especially if they bring nothing of worth to the table as far as skills, if for nothing else but to pacify the moiling mob so they don't burn down what little of our freedom is left.

But the 23 people he brought with him via chain migration have probably gone through extreme vetting, so nothing to see there. Not sure what they brought to the table, would be interesting to find out out what forms of government assistance they have received.

Saipov immigrated to the United States from Uzbekistan. The president said preliminary reports indicate he was "the primary point of contact for 23 people who came in with him."

"And that's not acceptable," Trump said. "So we want to get rid of chain migration, and we've wanted to do that for a long time."
...
More: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...y-visa-lottery-chain-migration/8211509557582/

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Police announce today second man is sought in connection to attack . So it was a conspiracy .

Can't be. Almost everyone on TV and radio said that he was a "lone wolf". He came up with this all by himself.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

A weapon is not always the answer. There is no weapon that would have helped in Las Vegas, and no weapon that would have helped people caught unaware on a pedestrian and bike path yesterday. At some point the liberty of American citizens has to be considered higher than some guy who has been training for jihad over in Iraq or whatever.

Wrong in both cases. Yes, there would be deaths in each case but there would be fewer of them. If the bubba's in Vegas had their high powered deer rifles in their car they could have (and would have) returned fire. Would they hit him? Maybe not. Would they hit innocent bystanders? There's a chance some people might get hit in that tower (if that's really where most of the shots came from). On the bike path anyone with a gun could have stopped this guy.

Now how do you say that weapons are not the answer again?