Radical Salafist terror attack in NY on Halloween

Give it 10 years and for average people that is all that will be allowed in the city, unless you are a business that has enough money to pay for a special medallion.

I'd bet on much sooner than 10 years.
 
Give it 10 years and for average people that is all that will be allowed in the city, unless you are a business that has enough money to pay for a special medallion.

Terror suspect was a ‘very friendly’ Uzbek immigrant who drove for Uber
http://nypost.com/2017/10/31/terror-suspect-was-a-very-friendly-uber-driver/

What is it with Uber.

Thank goodness he was a certified and bonafide driver who had been fully screened. Only the best extreme vetting will keep us all safe!
 
Again, per CNN, travel bans and walls would not help, because he was already here.
yeah.... but going forward we could do a lot better.

I think its just one more example of why we need to be a lot more particular about who we let into our country.

The DJ Trumpmaster D is spot on with this issue.
 
yeah.... but going forward we could do a lot better.

I think its just one more example of why we need to be a lot more particular about who we let into our country.

The DJ Trumpmaster D is spot on with this issue.

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There are always risks associated with living in a (semi)free society. Those risks are incredibly small compared to the risks of living in the police state it would take to prevent such attacks.
 
Blowback.

US via Saudi Arabia nurtured radical Salafism in the area to counter the Soviets. Then they turned on US. Uzbek jihadists align themselves with al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

Uzbeks were part of US allies in the "great Islamic Jihad" against Soviets and Uzbekistan's "liberation" came about thanks to US support for Islamic militants fighting against Soviet infidels in the then Soviets states.
From earlier reports, Uzbek minority in Afghanistan generally had been US allies and part of minorities collection that US has been training to fight Taliban that used to be mostly Pashtun ethnically. But some of Uzbeks apparently had also joined Al Qaeda/ISIS groups to fight their "great jihad" again in Iraq, Syria but only against different "infidels".

For those with interest in history, a very brief snapshot from MSM news:


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US loses partner in terror war with death of Uzbekistan's leader Islam Karimov

By Ryan Browne, CNN
September 3, 2016

Story highlights


  • Uzbekistan's only ruler since its independence had been a US ally
  • Karimov had sought to curb Russian influence in the region

Washington (CNN)The death of Uzbekistan President Islam Karimov could pose serious challenges for the US in areas such as counterterrorism and could become another flash point in the contentious US-Russia relationship.

Since 9/11, Uzbekistan has been at times critical to US foreign policy objectives in Central and South Asia, including in Afghanistan and in efforts to curb Russian influence in the region. Here's a look at some of the key ways Karimov's death could affect the US.

Afghanistan

A onetime Soviet official, Karimov had led Uzbekistan since before that country's independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, making him one of the longest-serving rulers in the world.
After achieving statehood, Uzbekistan wanted independence from Russia and sought out relationships with the West. But there was "a certain level of disinterest" on the part of the US, Olga Oliker, the director of the Russia and Eurasia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told CNN.
It wasn't until the 9/11 terror attacks, when Washington was trying to gain the cooperation of countries near Afghanistan during its fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban, that US-Uzbekistan relations became an important element of American foreign policy.
Karimov backed the US-led intervention in Afghanistan, as he also saw the Taliban and al Qaeda as Uzbekistan's enemies. He previously backed the Northern Alliance, which had fought the Taliban during the 1990s and were key allies in the US operation to oust the Taliban.
Karimov let US forces use Uzbekistan's airspace and Karshi-Khanabad airbase to support operations in Afghanistan, with which it shares an 85-mile-long border.

But in 2005, Karimov kicked the US personnel out after the George W. Bush administration condemned a violent crackdown by Uzbek security forces against protesters in the city of Andijan. The State Department's 2015 human rights report on Uzbekistan said security officials reportedly killed "at least 187 unarmed civilians" in an event that has been described as the biggest attack on demonstrators since Tiananmen Square in 1989.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/02/politics/islam-karimov-death-us-uzbekistan-relations/index.html




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There are always risks associated with living in a (semi)free society. Those risks are incredibly small compared to the risks of living in the police state it would take to prevent such attacks.

Problem is, most people don't look at it that way, and will happily give up freedom to keep themselves "safe".

I would happily shut down all immigration, legal and illegal, especially if they bring nothing of worth to the table as far as skills, if for nothing else but to pacify the moiling mob so they don't burn down what little of our freedom is left.
 
See, this is what I'm talking about.

There is no reason, none, to specifically import a bunch a third world "diversity" from Somalia or Trashcanistan.

Unless, of course, your plan is to radically alter the demographic makeup of the country and forever change what it was.


Plan to Ax ‘Diversity Visa’ Used by NYC Terror Suspect Has Been Sitting in GOP-Led Congress for Months

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-been-sitting-in-gop-led-congress-for-months/

by John Binder1 Nov 2017Washington, D.C.872

Sitting in the GOP-led House is legislation that would do nothing else but immediately eliminate the Diversity Visa Lottery, the visa program used by the New York City terror suspect to enter the United States in 2010.

Rep. Bill Posey (R-FL) introduced the SAFE for America Act to end the Diversity Visa Lottery in March, but not even the House Judiciary Committee has taken the bill up for consideration yet.

The Diversity Visa Lottery gives out 50,000 visas every year to foreign nationals from a multitude of countries, including those with known terrorist problems – such as Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Syria, Trinidad and Tobago, Venezuela, Yemen, and Uzbekistan.

Under Posey’s legislation, the visa program would be ended with no further changes to the immigration system. But, House and Senate Republicans could attempt to tie an amnesty for illegal aliens to Posey’s legislation, though that plan would likely be opposed by President Trump’s America First voter base.

The co-sponsors for ending the Diversity Visa Lottery include:

Rep. Goodlatte (R-VA)
Rep. Hensarling (R-TX)
Rep. Farenthold (R-TX)
Rep. Duncan (R-TN)
Rep. Smith (R-TX)
Rep. Marchant (R-TX)
Rep. Gosar (R-AZ)
Rep. Babin (R-TX)
Rep. Graves (R-GA)
Rep. Hice (R-GA)
Rep. Brooks (R-AL)
Rep. Brat (R-VA)

According to ABC New York, 29-year-old Sayfullo Saipov — the man who allegedly mowed down pedestrians and killed at least eight individuals in the Tribeca neighborhood of New York City — entered the U.S. in 2010 from Uzbekistan under the Diversity Visa Lottery before obtaining a Green Card.

Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) and Sen. David Perdue’s (R-GA) legal immigration-cutting RAISE Act legislation — endorsed by Trump — also seeks to end the Diversity Visa Lottery, as does Trump’s 70-point immigration priorities agenda.
 
Problem is, most people don't look at it that way, and will happily give up freedom to keep themselves "safe".

I would happily shut down all immigration, legal and illegal, especially if they bring nothing of worth to the table as far as skills, if for nothing else but to pacify the moiling mob so they don't burn down what little of our freedom is left.

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Except that you don't get your liberty piecemeal. By "shutting down all immigration", you are giving more power to the very state that is taking away what little freedom you have left. You either have to embrace liberty with the risks that come with it, or embrace tyranny with the false claim of security. We don't need MOAR state to restrict people from moving, or tracking us all, or moar restrictions on truck rentals, or moar surveillance, or any of that. Just more liberty. But with that, comes an acceptance that very few people will create havoc.
 
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Except that you don't get your liberty piecemeal. By "shutting down all immigration", you are giving more power to the very state that is taking away what little freedom you have left. You either have to embrace liberty with the risks that come with it, or embrace tyranny with the false claim of security. We don't need MOAR state to restrict people from moving, or tracking us all, or moar restrictions on truck rentals, or moar surveillance, or any of that. Just more liberty. But with that, comes an acceptance that very few people will create havoc.

Except that the majority of those who want open and unfettered immigration into the US love the Nanny-state, in every way possible. Are you just as aggressively and adamantly debating them on every single instance of government?

I see a lot of "OMG, we can't stop people from immigrating to the US!", yet on most other aspects of government it's either "we need government to do that" or "eh, nothing we can do about that".
 
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We don't need MOAR state to restrict people from moving, or tracking us all, or moar restrictions on truck rentals, or moar surveillance, or any of that. Just more liberty. But with that, comes an acceptance that very few people will create havoc.


To absorb all the side effcts of recent decades foreign freedom projects and interventions in almost every continent around the globe , a robust and intrusive domestic militarized police state is almost an essential requirement.
 
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