Questions / Concerns About Ron Paul Blimp Project

rjo43084

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I am a Ron Paul supporter, but I would like to point out that I am EXTREMELY skeptical of the Ron Paul Blimp project.

First off, why is it a FOR-PROFIT LLC? Non-profit LLC's can be created just as easily, and a non-profit still would have allowed for the airship to be rented, advertising displayed, and all the people involved with running the company to be paid, and for the same ad-buying amounts to be used.

Second, why are only US citizens allowed to donate? This company creates a situation where they are apparently outside the jurisdiction of US election law. It is an advertising firm, and therefore people and companies in foreign countries should be allowed to buy ad time just as much as US citizens are. And seeing how much support there is for Ron Paul from around the world, there is no reason people from outside the US should not be able to.

And that raises another question, is this ACTUALLY LEGAL? Are there any experts on campaign finance and/or political advertising law that can prove this new company can legally operate? It seems strange to me, given all the sneaky maneuvers both Republicans and Democrats have used to bypass campaign finance restrictions in the past, that there would not have been cases in the past where an ad agency like this was setup to allow for unrestricted funding for a company whose sole purpose is to promote a political candidate. If this is a legitimate loophole in campaign finance reform, then I would expect it to have been used already, so I should hope that someone should be able to research this and find cases where this has been done before, seeing that I have not. If there aren't cases of this found, I would be highly suspicious that this is a legal loophole, because it would probably be the largest loophole in campaign finance reforms found to date.

I would not place blind trust in the people running this site and assume they have all the answers, even if it is supposedly backed by Trevor Lyman. He was the originator of this idea, but the site doesn't outright say that he is involved with them in any way, from what I have viewed of the website. Note how there is hardly any description of the project on the site any more. The specifics are VERY vague, and no explanation is given on the legality of this LLC, or why they stopped going the government approved, more legitimate route of establishing a Political Action Committee to get the job done.

If this is legal, fine, but someone should definitively prove this.

Maybe this has already been discussed and proven to be legit, I don't know, but all I do know is I was a lot more supportive of the project and ready to donate when they were going to form a PAC and said they had government approval for the project. Now none of that government approval is mentioned on the site. The fact that your purchase is also NON-REFUNDABLE is a red flag for me. They don't explain what happens if they don't raise enough money for this thing to happen. Though I doubt they will be unable to raise enough money, that lack of explanation is suspect, and the fact that they state these ad purchases are non-refundable suggests that if this thing doesn't get off the ground, YOU WILL NOT GET YOUR MONEY BACK.

They have provided no legal documents on their website for the founding of the LLC, or for documents signifying there is a DEFINITE agreement between Airship Management Services and their company for the 350k rate they spoke of in earlier forms of the website. It's all HEARSAY, and you're just trusting that these people are handling your money appropriately.

I am not suggesting not to buy ad time. If you trust these people, go right ahead. The idea is a great one, and if this is legit it will be one of the greatest campaign stunts in HISTORY, but all I ask you is to be VERY WARY. I personally WILL NOT DONATE to this website until I see the blimp up in the air at a future Ron Paul rally, or at least until they have a more comprehensive website that lays out their plan, point by point, the legal justification for all of this, and proof that this LLC has actually been founded legitimately.
 
Maybe everyone could go in the chat room to iron a few things out and them come back and report?


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It would have been wiser for the organizers to launch this on a weekday so that some of these questions can be answered more easily. Instead we'll probably spend the rest of the weekend speculating and dousing fires. (Especially from first time posters. Hmmmm.)
 
You know what I am suspicious about? Now, that November 30th past and the conflict is past and gone, there is a campaign of renewed conflict about the ron paul blimp.

I suspect some of these persons are political operatives from other camps trying to derail the effort.
 
I agree! I don't like that this is a for profit company. Why don't they explain themselves a bit more. They might loss a lot of those pledges now. Hopefully things get back in order.
 
You know what I am suspicious about? Now, that November 30th past and the conflict is past and gone, there is a campaign of renewed conflict about the ron paul blimp.

I suspect some of these persons are political operatives from other camps trying to derail the effort.

Yup, pretty obvious to me.

A lot new posters with a clear agenda of actively trying to dissuade others from contributing. None of these people are doing anything positive to organize and support something different on the forums, they are being purely negative. If they are not outright provocateurs, they at a minimum have very misplaced priorities.
 
Sure there is a lot of negativity out there and for a good reason. Ron Paul is out to end the careers of many criminals within the government and corporate America. So far only $12,150 has been donated of the $400,000 plus pledged. I am worried that a lot of people have become more skeptical about this. Maybe be for no reason, but still understandable. I am sure these guys running it will clear everything up soon enough.
 
I'm a relatively new poster (I think this is post 82), but not in the 1-5 post range. I was suspicious about the blimp thing because of the for-profit LLC but was keeping my mouth shut. They could be new posters with an agenda, but they do have a point. When I saw the for-profit part I wasn't planning on donating myself.
 
These are credible concerns

I think these are valid questions. Also, the new website design and the method of fundraising for the blimp is so radically different that it is confusing. I pledged $100 prior to the redesign. I see now that $100 gets only 4 minutes on the blimp. That is a bit disheartening and makes me *not* want to contribute. There also needs to be a statement on the website that says "For all of you who have pledged, we are now ready to take your donation". Because it looks so radically different now though, and without the encouragement to donate, I think it will be difficult to get all of the pledges.
 
After legal counsel, if we would have formed a PAC then the you could donate a maximum of $2,300 and on top of that you could not donate anything to the official campaign.

So.. We formed a company that can let anyone make a independent expenditure in any amount they want.

Our legal counsel includes former FEC chairman Brad Smith, for those of you who question what I say. http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/BradSmith.php



We understand this is a drastic change and it appears suspicious but for legality reasons this is the best way.
 
I think these are valid questions. Also, the new website design and the method of fundraising for the blimp is so radically different that it is confusing. I pledged $100 prior to the redesign. I see now that $100 gets only 4 minutes on the blimp. That is a bit disheartening and makes me *not* want to contribute. There also needs to be a statement on the website that says "For all of you who have pledged, we are now ready to take your donation". Because it looks so radically different now though, and without the encouragement to donate, I think it will be difficult to get all of the pledges.

I actually prefer the minutes. Its talking about time in the air - $100 = 4 minutes * 160 hours = ~ $240,000. I think the blimp was only going to be in the air 160 hours a month originally. This now relates dollars to time in the air, instead of by month, and may be better if we keep the blimp indefinitely.
 
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I don't have any problem with it being a for-profit company. Really, I don't see why any Paul supporter would object to the concept of doing something good and making money at the same time. Isn't that part of the magic o' the market?
 
My question is: if the money is not returned, and $350k isn't raised, what will the donated money go to?
 
After legal counsel, if we would have formed a PAC then the you could donate a maximum of $2,300 and on top of that you could not donate anything to the official campaign.

So.. We formed a company that can let anyone make a independent expenditure in any amount they want.

We understand this is a drastic change and it appears suspicious but for legality reasons this is the best way.

Why don't you elaborate a bit more. More transparent, please.
This project is more and more like a closed door deal. And we know that top-down approach won't work. Don't tell us what's is best. We can decide by ourself.

If this project is going to flop, it will be a major laughing stock for media.

And, the purchases are non refundable even if there is no blimp. The first question comes to mind is:

WTF?
 
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