Question For Trump supporters [edit]

[luctor-et-emergo]

why did "they" let him win?

Because he's considering people like Rudy Giuliani as secretary of state.

 

[JK/SEA]

everythings rigged.

this 'reality' you're living in is just an illusion perpetrated by a global cabal of rich, highly intelligent movers and shakers who have connections with the 'grays' from the Andromeda Galaxy, and are preparing for a takeover of the planet, and you're not invited. Good luck.

 

[scm]

why did "they" let him win?

I've said it before.
He's ALL ABOUT PEOPLE CONTROL. Thats was his WHOLE campaign platform. Oh and "I'm not Hillary"

 

[newbitech]

Because he's considering people like Rudy Giuliani as secretary of state.

Ok. Isn't that after the fact? Or are you saying "they" knew his choices before hand? I don't recall hearing mention of ol' ghouls being SoS prior to election night. Do you? Love to see that link if that's the case.

 

[newbitech]

I've said it before.
He's ALL ABOUT PEOPLE CONTROL. Thats was his WHOLE campaign platform. Oh and "I'm not Hillary"

Ok. I am not sure I am connecting the dots on that. I mean no one likes to be controlled against their will. One of the qualities of a good "manager" or "employer" is controlling your people. Of course this is in the sense of working. People submit willingly. I don't necessarily think what you said here is a bad thing with out assuming you mean controlling people against their will. I didn't read what you said before, so some context would certainly help me understand your view.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

....yikes...i sense a lot of republican-radio cheerleaders here...republican-radio idiots have been systematically brainwashing people for years now that 'election fraud always favors democrats'

...but in trump's defense he did tell the truth to the people in bits and pieces during the campaign...for example when he said, 'This election is rigged' and when he said, 'I'm going to win so big'...

...republicrats suck so big...

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Ok. Isn't that after the fact? Or are you saying "they" knew his choices before hand? I don't recall hearing mention of ol' ghouls being SoS prior to election night. Do you? Love to see that link if that's the case.

"Reality TV" is pretty much always scripted.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

...anyone not a goddamned fool understands that ANYONE whose ideas threaten thi$ mi$erable financial order will be thoroughly suppressed...puppets/fools no threat to the horrendous exi$ting financial order will be promoted/not be opposed...

 

[JK/SEA]

can i start using 'rug biters' again....

need to call ORKIN..asap.

 

[newbitech]

"Reality TV" is pretty much always scripted.

yeah i'm not buying the reality tv quip. that was something that was used over and over by the MSM to try and persuade people. I suppose you could argue that the MSM was using reverse psychology but then I'd just point out that the MSM is in full meltdown mode and has been for some time. It's quite clear the commercial TV interests took a huge hit this time around. Hell, even the omnipotent NFL is taking a serious ratings hit.

I'm also not buying the reality tv everything is scripted business because wikileaks. If you think that ALL of this stuff is scripted, I have to wonder at what point in your life do you recognize integrity? Do you step outside your door and immediately immerse yourself in a world of fake bullshit? Is there anything authentic in your life besides your immediate surroundings?

I can see how my comments above may offend, and its not intentional. I just can't believe that someone would think we are all living in one big reality tv show. So this is not really an answer to the question I asked. I'd be more interested in discussing those answers. Otherwise if all you have is something like, "its all fake" well not much else to say is there?

 

[newbitech]

...anyone not a goddamned fool understands that ANYONE whose ideas threaten thi$ mi$erable financial order will be thoroughly suppressed...puppets/fools no threat to the horrendous exi$ting financial order will be promoted/not be opposed...

so this is something similar to the Cosmological Argument and/or Thomas Aquinas "Argument from Efficient Cause".

Not only are "they" not God or God's, "they" still derive "their" powers from consent of the governed. Meaning "they" still have to operate within a framework that is fairly restrictive. Yes I know it doesn't appear that way, and there be plenty of arguments and examples against that, but I'm sure its a topic for another debate. Suffice to say, "they" are not that powerful.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

If you think that ALL of this stuff is scripted, I have to wonder at what point in your life do you recognize integrity?

Right about at this point.

 

[scm]

Right about at this point.

You can't "solve" integrity.

 

[scm]

Ok. I am not sure I am connecting the dots on that. I mean no one likes to be controlled against their will. One of the qualities of a good "manager" or "employer" is controlling your people. Of course this is in the sense of working. People submit willingly. I don't necessarily think what you said here is a bad thing with out assuming you mean controlling people against their will. I didn't read what you said before, so some context would certainly help me understand your view.

OK lets start with some basic questions.
What is the "establishment"?
Do they have any goals?

 

[newbitech]

Right about at this point.

Great moment, the point Ron made here turned a light bulb on for a LOT of people. Unfortunately it also went over a LOT of people's heads. Since this moment, I could also say to a person, everyone I know that didn't understand this when it was live understands it now.

The truth will always come out. I think Trump's foreign policy will be no different than Roodies. Yet that truth remains and the people I know who voted for Trump now understand why we are interventionist, why we have blow-back and most importantly that we need to get the fuck out the middle east as quickly as possible.

How do we square that with the idea that this whole shit and fuck is scripted? We don't. People made a choice based on more than this one issue. Fact is we are there and if we are gonna get out of there we'll need MORE people to believe this point.

We don't do that by telling everyone that it's all a scripted bullshit story being told. We do that by continuing to press this point. We do that like was done when Obama tried to get support to bomb Assad in Syria. We need ALL sides to agree to gtfo the middle east. We need to work on that by being realistic about what a Trump victory means, not just simply writing it off as some scripted made for tv nonsense.

 

[newbitech]

OK lets start with some basic questions.
What is the "establishment"?
Do they have any goals?

The establishment is bipartisan politicians, crony capitalist (large corp CEO's), media moguls, MIC, universities, basically the structure and network of people, businesses, and institutions that have control and influence over policy, laws, economics, and culture of our neighborhoods, towns, cities, states, country and world.

The establishment has one goal and that is to hold on to that power to remain, "established".

Does that help you in this discussion at all?

 

[CPUd]

why did "they" let him win?

 

[scm]

The establishment is bipartisan politicians, crony capitalist (large corp CEO's), media moguls, MIC, universities, basically the structure and network of people, businesses, and institutions that have control and influence over policy, laws, economics, and culture of our neighborhoods, towns, cities, states, country and world.

The establishment has one goal and that is to hold on to that power to remain, "established".

Does that help you in this discussion at all?

You don't believe they have plans of making sure nothing hinders them from maintaining that goal?
You don't believe the establishment won't cheat or deceive in maintaining that goal?
Do you doubt their power?

 

[newbitech]

some doctored image

am i supposed to know what that means?

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Great moment, the point Ron made here turned a light bulb on for a LOT of people. Unfortunately it also went over a LOT of people's heads. Since this moment, I could also say to a person, everyone I know that didn't understand this when it was live understands it now.

I don't think I believe the same thing but if it were to be true that would be great.

The truth will always come out. I think Trump's foreign policy will be no different than Roodies. Yet that truth remains and the people I know who voted for Trump now understand why we are interventionist, why we have blow-back and most importantly that we need to get the fuck out the middle east as quickly as possible.

Just for clarification, you're saying you think Trump and Giuliani are more or less on the same page when it comes to foreign policy or am I reading your post wrong here ? I agree with you on the first part. That people understand what blow-back is ? Some maybe.

How do we square that with the idea that this whole shit and fuck is scripted? We don't. People made a choice based on more than this one issue. Fact is we are there and if we are gonna get out of there we'll need MORE people to believe this point.

We most certainly need to educate more people.

We don't do that by telling everyone that it's all a scripted bullshit story being told. We do that by continuing to press this point. We do that like was done when Obama tried to get support to bomb Assad in Syria. We need ALL sides to agree to gtfo the middle east. We need to work on that by being realistic about what a Trump victory means, not just simply writing it off as some scripted made for tv nonsense.

I'm keeping an open mind. For sure.