Question for International Ron Paul supporters

[Voluntaryist]

The reality is we are now in a global war for freedom.

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The global war on terror is a lie. It really is a global war on freedom, and we are LOSING IT. Well, come tomorrow, we may shift the tide of war for the better.

Lets hope so.

 

[gang]

I think most of our international supporters like Ron because he is anti-war, but I doubt they really understand or like his libertarian message, since Europeans tend to be socialist-leaning. I'm sure there are exceptions to this, however.

What else.
And some might doubt most Americans really understand or like his message, since they tend to be warmongering Neocons. But I'm sure there are exceptions, too.

 

[kill the banks]

One of the remarkable things I've noticed in these forums is that there are a lot of international Ron Paul supporters. I can imagine someone from another country learning a bit about US politics and hearing of a person they agree with, but I have to admit that I'm surprised when I see someone outside of the US participating in the campaign. It's *great* to have you guys, but I'm just curious, why do you do it?

frankly we learned more american history than canadian up here in my day

kill the banks

 

[Broadlighter]

I'm an American living in California.

I think the international support for Ron Paul has something to do with:

"Friendship and commerce with all nations. Entangling alliances with none." -T. Jefferson

People like having neighbors who are friendly, respectful and mind their own business. Ron Paul embodies that more than any other presidential candidate.

The Neo-cons and Capitalist Progressives would have us believe that's isolationism and the only way to be non-isolationist is to meddle in the affairs of other nations and promote aggressive pre-emptive wars. People are people and when they examine the facts carefully, they see through the B.S. and the ability to see through the B.S. is not exclusive to any one nationality.

 

[ProBlue33]

As Ron Paul himself has said many times, America is empire building, not only do Americans want this to stop so do other people in the world, this is why they are pulling for him.

American foreign policy sucks right now, and has since Korea, making "blowback" real.

Ron Paul will do his very best to end this stupidity, and people of the world will work with him too, because they know what he is trying to do, is pull back American interferance.

 

[Richard]

New Zealand is free ..... we look after our poor....its not bad.

We see america as simply telling us how to be....re nuclear re if you dont do what we want we will harm you economically.

Down with big bully brother, down with decisions based totally on money...up with conditions where people can be free to be who they want themselves to be

 

[JohnM]

The reality is we are now in a global war for freedom. There are a number of key battles going on across the world. One all freedom loving people should be doing their bit for.

If you guys (with support from us) can pull off a grassroots revolution, then the odds start looking better for the rest of us.

Exactly. If the US was to move in a dramatically libertarian direction, then the rest of the world would sit up and take notice, and people in the UK and Europe might start questioning the big government welfare state mentality that exists over here.

You guys in the States have a golden opportunity though. You have got what we haven't. A true standard bearer. A man with integrity, principle and a record to back it up.

You're not thinking of Nigel Farage, are you?

 

[gang]

As Ron Paul himself has said many times, America is empire building, not only do Americans want this to stop so do other people in the world, this is why they are pulling for him.

At least that's not my reason.
Personally I have no problem with US soldiers stationed in Germany. I have never seen America as a threat, but as an inspiration.
Your country once was founded on the greates ideas in mankind's history. These ideas were viable 250 years ago and they are still today.
I wanna live as a free man, not as the slave that I was born in former communist East-Europe. But the idea of liberty will only survive, when it's upheld and lived in all our western countries.

 

[raiha]

I'm a New Zealander through and through (apart from the Australian half)

Watching the US develop gradually into a Police state....soon to be a global camp..
The Machiavellian machinations of sociopaths murdering people with impunity is reason for me.
That includes the wars, the bringing to power of petty dictators and arming them so they can murder their own people, and the CIA orchestrated assassinations of peole like Allende so the Chileans could have Pinochet.
Guantanamo Bay where you have 80 year olds lying in their own feces and incarcerated children.
"Enhanced interrogation techniques."
The collapse of civil liberties.
The insistence your government has of dragging the rest of the world into a depression.
Oh and the lunatics have an armoury of 5700 operable nuclear weapons.
Your corporations degrade the world: General Electric; Dupont; Boeing; etc ad nauseum

I have a grandson. I would like him to have grand-children...that is why I am here.

 

[mbrebstock]

As Ron Paul himself has said many times, America is empire building, not only do Americans want this to stop so do other people in the world, this is why they are pulling for him.

American foreign policy sucks right now, and has since Korea, making "blowback" real.

Ron Paul will do his very best to end this stupidity, and people of the world will work with him too, because they know what he is trying to do, is pull back American interferance.

this is probably not true. i hope there is a huge interference with ron paul as president. of course not direct but if the world sees how great america is doing with ron paul - perhaps other nations want to have a ron paul too!

 

[RonRules]

We need to spread Dr. Paul's message to the Arab world.

If anybody can translate the videos and the constitution to Arabic, that would be just great.

 

[Chase]

Wow... thanks for all the responses! I guess freedom is popular

 

[Delain]

I think most of our international supporters like Ron because he is anti-war, but I doubt they really understand or like his libertarian message, since Europeans tend to be socialist-leaning. I'm sure there are exceptions to this, however.

I'm not sure its a matter of understanding but I'll admit it is the one issue I have some reservations about.

I'd rather not go back to the situation we had before the second world war, after which the basic social security was introduced. There was some serious poverty back then. A lower class worker who for any reason was unable to work anymore essentially became a beggar. The same for a lot of people who became to old to work. They had to rely on handouts by family members or the church. Healthcare was largely unavailable for many of the lower class. Same goes for education.

I understand the whole mechanism of social security, taxation, bureaucracy, big government and all the problems it creates, but what’s the alternative? Charity and poorhouses? We've already seen how that turned out.

Personally, I'm still struggling with this one.

One of the remarkable things I've noticed in these forums is that there are a lot of international Ron Paul supporters. I can imagine someone from another country learning a bit about US politics and hearing of a person they agree with, but I have to admit that I'm surprised when I see someone outside of the US participating in the campaign. It's *great* to have you guys, but I'm just curious, why do you do it?

For the change it would bring to the world. In one interview Ron Paul explained his foreign policy and that even the message of a non-intervention policy would instantaneously change the world. I believe that.

The number one reason though is the fight against the globalists. Globalism is a deceptive term here. I love the idea of some sort of peaceful global community. I'm not a anti-globalist. But I am against a global dictatorship where a small self-anointed elite wields the scepter, that is the current form of globalization. It is like going back to ancient times when pharaoh’s and Caesars ruled as god-kings. That new world order is nothing more then the restoration of the old order. I agree with Ron Paul that Freedom is the new idea here. People referring to the Constitution and Bill of Rights as archaic are shills or simply haven’t got a clue. The tyranny we're facing might be wrapped in a new and flashy package, underneath it is still the same old tyranny that has plagued humanity since the dawn of civilization.

Those in power in Europe today are the same bunch. Its a different department but the same company. So it doesn’t matter where we fight them imo, a breach anywhere will weaken the whole wall. And Ron Paul wanting to rid of the Fed, man that’s going straight for the root. Thats were the coup first accured.

I don’t think we have much time left. The control apparatus is nearing completion all over the western world. Ron Paul for me is a glimmer of hope we can still change the tide.

 

[Carole]

Thank you MKP,

This is a great message, one which if it were made available to all American people/sheeple could help them wake up.

I hope you are speaking out whenever you have anopportunity.

In the meantime, thank you for your support. Perhaps if we here in America can have some success, it will spur the effort abroad to free themselves.

 

[Paulio]

I think Ron Paul is important because US is the dominant power in the world every way. If US goes one way, the world will follow. If you go in the wrong direction, we suffer too. If you show way to a better life, all the world benefits.

I'm also a long time libertarian etc...

 

[exemplar]

US more important

Even if the size of the US economy is shrinking as the dollar falls, the influence of US politics is felt everywhere. The US is the most important cultural and political symbol in the world today and has been so since the collapse of the USSR.

The Ron Paul position may be viewed as fringe in the US, but here (in Sweden) it's like it doesn't exist. We've had more or less totalitarian governments since the 1600's. First monarchies that were the same thing that the American colonists rebelled against, then a "people's home"-style socialist democracy with ~80% taxes. No one can say that our kind of government "doesn't" work. It keeps people occupied and content.

However, more and more people realize that the system is horribly inefficient when it comes to harnessing the creativity and economic momentum of individuals and small/medium sized companies. The US is way way ahead Europe on that point.

Also, the same people realize that the over-regulation of everything is catastrophically detrimental to happiness in the long run.

In Europe, government is by far the biggest employer and thus the growth of government is seen by most as just job security. As always, the choice of security over liberty is the health of the state!

Of course, my interest in Ron Paul is because of the future of government and that he seems to be an honest politician, so there's also a "man bites dog"-kind of interest.

 

[Carole]

I can certainly understand the anti-war sentiment of Europeans, but the danger lies in the socialist programs. These are what lead to ever-bigger government and elimination of the middle class. Thus you have the rich, who rule and the poor who serve.

Ron Paul has said socialism is like soft fascism and I agree. It is only one or two philosophies away from totalitarianism and dictatorships.

America now is living in a banana republic; it just isn't called one. It is called a "democracy".
Yet America is actually a republic and was never intended to be a democracy. It is a word as Orwell referred to as "doublespeak" and is tossed around casually as though it were something to be envied and to which all countries should aspire.

So is it any wonder that the globalists throw out the red herring of democracy and try to force it upon the rest of the world in order to advance its agenda?

The libertarian is, I believe, a stricter, or rather freer, interpretation of original Republican thinking. It requires individuals to abandon the collectivist mentality, to be intelligent and honest enough to take full responsibility for their own lives. It requires the balance between what is good and bad for the country, and the wisdom to recognize the difference.

 

[Carole]

I'm not sure its a matter of understanding but I'll admit it is the one issue I have some reservations about.

I'd rather not go back to the situation we had before the second world war, after which the basic social security was introduced. There was some serious poverty back then. A lower class worker who for any reason was unable to work anymore essentially became a beggar. The same for a lot of people who became to old to work. They had to rely on handouts by family members or the church. Healthcare was largely unavailable for many of the lower class. Same goes for education.

I understand the whole mechanism of social security, taxation, bureaucracy, big government and all the problems it creates, but what’s the alternative? Charity and poorhouses? We've already seen how that turned out.

Personally, I'm still struggling with this one.


For the change it would bring to the world. In one interview Ron Paul explained his foreign policy and that even the message of a non-intervention policy would instantaneously change the world. I believe that.

The number one reason though is the fight against the globalists. Globalism is a deceptive term here. I love the idea of some sort of peaceful global community. I'm not a anti-globalist. But I am against a global dictatorship where a small self-anointed elite wields the scepter, that is the current form of globalization. It is like going back to ancient times when pharaoh’s and Caesars ruled as god-kings. That new world order is nothing more then the restoration of the old order. I agree with Ron Paul that Freedom is the new idea here. People referring to the Constitution and Bill of Rights as archaic are shills or simply haven’t got a clue. The tyranny we're facing might be wrapped in a new and flashy package, underneath it is still the same old tyranny that has plagued humanity since the dawn of civilization.

Those in power in Europe today are the same bunch. Its a different department but the same company. So it doesn’t matter where we fight them imo, a breach anywhere will weaken the whole wall. And Ron Paul wanting to rid of the Fed, man that’s going straight for the root. Thats were the coup first accured.

I don’t think we have much time left. The control apparatus is nearing completion all over the western world. Ron Paul for me is a glimmer of hope we can still change the tide.

Nicely said. I very much agree with you. I was so saddened when I saw that the EU thing was advancing toward reality in Europe. I despared that the people had somehow been overwhelmed with that entity. It was surly a sign that we would be next. Even now our "decider" is forging ahead with the Middle East Union.

 

[Carole]

+10000000000000 :d

 

[Carole]

I'm an American living in California.

I think the international support for Ron Paul has something to do with:

"Friendship and commerce with all nations. Entangling alliances with none." -T. Jefferson

People like having neighbors who are friendly, respectful and mind their own business. Ron Paul embodies that more than any other presidential candidate.

The Neo-cons and Capitalist Progressives would have us believe that's isolationism and the only way to be non-isolationist is to meddle in the affairs of other nations and promote aggressive pre-emptive wars. People are people and when they examine the facts carefully, they see through the B.S. and the ability to see through the B.S. is not exclusive to any one nationality.

Well said.

"The Neo-cons and Capitalist Progressives would have us believe that's isolationism and the only way to be non-isolationist is to meddle in the affairs of other nations and promote aggressive pre-emptive wars."

This is precisely what has caused the present isolationism that is America today.
Those who call Dr. Paul an isolationist are themselves the real isolationalists for just such policies which infringe in the worst way upon the rights of others. Of course, we are hated for such interference and rightly so.