Putin The Guilty

[Occam's Banana]

It's a hostile invasion (of your "culture") when someone parks a taco truck on a streetcorner in your town.

Right. I'm sure ideology has nothing to do with it. Just food trucks and skin color.

With the possible exception of Taco Bell, nothing involving tacos can ever be hostile to anyone's culture.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Hi. I'm just popping into this thread to remind everyone that all states are bad, not just ours.

But, please do continue imagining that Putin and the Russian state is full up of altruistic intentions.

HATE THE STATE, IN ALL IT'S MANIFESTATIONS. Whatever he is doing, it is for HIS benefit. Not for anyone else's. He wouldn't be doing it, otherwise.

I have to disagree.

States are not inherently bad. The only "bad" thing that states do, is refuse to uphold the right of secession for its citizens.

Something resembling the US, and Russia, would still exist, even in a voluntaryist world.

The issue I have is with anarchists. Their argument is that states are always bad therefore we need to get rid of them. The whole idea is silly since it's impossible for any given area to not have a state. There's always going to be somebody with the most force in a given area that is making the rules. That's the state. That's the nature of force. So the only debate is how to make the least bad state.

That refusal to allow secession is the essences of the institution of the state. It's what makes states states.

It's why voluntary organizations like churches, with the governments that they have, don't count as states.

As I have said elsewhere a number of times, if a truly libertarian society is ever actually achieved, anarchists and minarchists will no doubt proceed to quarrel vehemently over whether they live under a "state" or not.

 

[acptulsa]

Oh yes, it's very educating. There's no war, and also the number 33 is coming to get us all via numerology warfare.

Username checks out...

 

[TheTexan]

As I have said elsewhere a number of times, if a truly libertarian society is ever actually achieved, anarchists and minarchists will no doubt proceed to quarrel vehemently over whether they live under a "state" or not.

Are you the authority then on what makes a state a state? Pfft. Statist.

 

[TheTexan]

I think our war for Independence was a noble purpose.

Removing a violent threat in a neighbor state would be mutually beneficial.

And without France's help, we would have lost.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Are you the authority then on what makes a state a state? Pfft. Statist.

 

[TheTexan]

There's a Ron Paul sticker in that scene

0:51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZcXtVM-jQ&ab_channel=ImAlanWake

 

[sparebulb]

Russian units were in those areas as early as 2014. There's excellent Vice reporting on it.

There are "murikan, UK, and Israeli "units" operating in Ukraine since they overthrew the government in 2014.

What's your point?

 

[Occam's Banana]

There's a Ron Paul sticker in that scene

0:51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZcXtVM-jQ&ab_channel=ImAlanWake

 

[ClaytonB]

 

[TheCount]

With the possible exception of Taco Bell, nothing involving tacos can ever be hostile to anyone's culture.

Taco Bell is mostly hostile to my rectum.

 

[acptulsa]

With the possible exception of Taco Bell, nothing involving tacos can ever be hostile to anyone's culture.

Taco Bell is mostly hostile to my rectum.

So you are a liberal! I don't know anyone else who considers their rectums to have some kind of cultural significance.

 

[TheCount]

Has nothing to do with a memory hole. None of that has anything to do with what's going on now.


It's the international equivalent of saying "oh that guy that the police unlawfully killed was convicted of some drug crimes a decade ago so it's okay. He was no angel."

 

[TheCount]

So you are a liberal! I don't know anyone else who considers their rectums to have some kind of cultural significance.

It's culturally significant to the ten-times-a-day gay sex that I have.

 

[acptulsa]

Has nothing to do with a memory hole. None of that has anything to do with what's going on now.


It's the international equivalent of saying "oh that guy that the police unlawfully killed was convicted of some drug crimes a decade ago so it's okay. He was no angel."

That very corruption is the "vital strategic interests" that we're about to finish breaking this empire to prop up. How can you claim it's unrelated with a straight face?

It's culturally significant to the ten-times-a-day gay sex that I have.

Whatever cultures you're growing down there as a result have nothing to do with American culture, or that of any other collective. Do they?

You'd understand those biological cultures and a societal culture are two different things, if you pried your head out of your ass.

 

[TheCount]

That very corruption is the "vital strategic interests" that we're about to finish breaking this empire to prop up. How can you claim it's unrelated with a straight face?

Whether or not a country is corrupt by American standards should be unrelated to whether or not that country is allowed to exist.


The implication otherwise is that the United States should just be able to decide that a country is insufficiently worthy of sovereignty and borders, and declare it void.

Which, by the way, is what is ongoing in Ukraine. There is an ongoing debate as to whether or not Ukraine is a country, and one side of that debate wasn't succeeding with words so they decided to try using tanks instead.

 

[acptulsa]

Whether or not a country is corrupt by American standards should be unrelated to whether or not that country is allowed to exist.

And if Russia annexes a portion of it, an area in which most of the population are sick of dealing with the puppets we installed, it will cease to exist?

Did it cease to exist in 2014, when we overthrew its government and installed our puppet neo-nazi robber barons?

 

[TheCount]

And if Russia annexes a portion of it, an area in which most of the population are sick of dealing with the puppets we installed, it will cease to exist?

Ask the Navajo Nation.

Or did it cease to exist in 2014, when we overthrew its government and installed our puppet neo-nazi robber barons?

Let me guess, the supposed sentiments of the people of Crimea and the Donbass justify Russia's invasion and annexation of half of Ukraine...


But the events of 2014 - whatever you think those events were - are not justified by the supposed sentiments of the people of Ukraine?


How does that work?

 

[acptulsa]

Ask the Navajo Nation.

You're arguing against your own position.

Let me guess, the supposed sentiments of the people of Crimea and the Donbass justify Russia's invasion and annexation of half of Ukraine...


But the events of 2014 - whatever you think those events were - are not justified by the supposed sentiments of the people of Ukraine?


How does that work?

It works if some of those sentiments are supposed, and some are not.

In any case, I just don't see myself traveling halfway around the world and tackling a nuclear power over my suppositions. I'm not that arrogant. Nor am I interested in doing that over your suppositions, nor George Takei's, nor those of the New York Times.

 

[ClaytonB]

Has nothing to do with a memory hole. None of that has anything to do with what's going on now.

It's the international equivalent of saying "oh that guy that the police unlawfully killed was convicted of some drug crimes a decade ago so it's okay. He was no angel."

What in the sam hell are you on about? Oh, I forgot, we have always been allies with Ukraine...

This is absolutely memory-hole garbage tracing back to Maidan and even earlier. If you can't see that all parties to these power ploys are filthy, corrupt crooks, you are blind. As far as I know, the Ukrainian people themselves are just hostages of one gang of crooks or another, just like the American people, Canadian people or the people of any nation in the world right now. The East/West, Left/Right divide-and-conquer illusion is breaking down. Only the most naive and uninformed -- or those who themselves are part of the gang -- can fail to see the corruption. It has become so blatant that even a young child can see it now, plain as day. The "great and terrible" Oz really believes he has become so powerful that he can simply draw back the curtain. Go right ahead, Oz, pull back that curtain!!