Public School

[tremendoustie]

The fact of the matter is, some people are faced with making tough decisions because they are backed into a corner. It has nothing to do with sacrificing principles. That is a very shallow accusation. You can't look at this one aspect of LLS's parenting and accuse her of being neglectful when she is up against the weight of generations of coercive legislation (as we all are). I am sure the state has stolen a good chunk of the money she would have spent on sending her kids to a private school.

I suppose by having the municipal trash monopoly picking up my garbage two days out of the week, I also qualify as some sort of beneficiary of state violence. If you've driven on a public road, you are guilty as well. I do think it is important to be principled, but being a purist is impossible. You are being unfair with your criticisms, in my opinion.

Yes, I agree. Government is very difficult to avoid, and certainly some are in circumstances that leave them no choice. I do want to impress on people that home schooling can be very effective, and many who think they are not capable of it absolutely are.

It is my personal view that people should not have children fully planning to send them to public school, or day/pre school. Now, unforeseen circumstances arise, and personalities are different, and I am in no place to criticize those who are doing the best they can in the situation they're in.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The fact of the matter is, some people are faced with making tough decisions because they are backed into a corner. It has nothing to do with sacrificing principles. That is a very shallow accusation. You can't look at this one aspect of LLS's parenting and accuse her of being neglectful when she is up against the weight of generations of coercive legislation (as we all are). I am sure the state has stolen a good chunk of the money she would have spent on sending her kids to a private school.

I suppose by having the municipal trash monopoly picking up my garbage two days out of the week, I also qualify as some sort of beneficiary of state violence. If you've driven on a public road, you are guilty as well. I do think it is important to be principled, but being a purist is impossible. You are being unfair with your criticisms, in my opinion.

This is a fair criticism, and I appreciate your being polite.

 

[jsu718]

Then it makes more sense to attach the money to the kid and let the parent choose the school, yes? :o

Makes sense unless you believe in redistribution... so the question is instead should a child whose parents make less money be unable to afford the same education of other children. The general consensus with public schooling is no, but with private schooling it is yes.

And as for the funding question, my area gets funding almost exclusively from local property taxes (Texas outlaws a state property tax in its constitution)... a little bit from federal for Title 1 programs and things like that... which require all of the NCLB nonsense.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Makes sense unless you believe in redistribution... so the question is instead should a child whose parents make less money be unable to afford the same education of other children. The general consensus with public schooling is no, but with private schooling it is yes.

And as for the funding question, my area gets funding almost exclusively from local property taxes (Texas outlaws a state property tax in its constitution)... a little bit from federal for Title 1 programs and things like that... which require all of the NCLB nonsense.

All public schooling is redistribution(that's why it's called "public")-I thought that was a given in my statement. The only way to avoid redistribution is privatization, and I don't see too many RPFer's fond of that yet. I was just saying that if we're going to continue spending x thousands of dollars/child in our socialized system, let the parent take the money and pick a school rather than being stuck with whatever is in the neighborhood.

 

[LittleLightShining]

Then it makes more sense to attach the money to the kid and let the parent choose the school, yes? :o

I tend to agree with that.

All public schooling is redistribution(that's why it's called "public")-I thought that was a given in my statement. The only way to avoid redistribution is privatization, and I don't see too many RPFer's fond of that yet. I was just saying that if we're going to continue spending x thousands of dollars/child in our socialized system, let the parent take the money and pick a school rather than being stuck with whatever is in the neighborhood.

Why do you say you don't see too many of us supporting privatization?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I tend to agree with that.

Thanks!

Why do you say you don't see too many of us supporting privatization?

sorry...I may be thinking of another site I visit-I've had the "schooling debate" a couple times lately. :o

 

[tremendoustie]

Thanks!



sorry...I may be thinking of another site I visit-I've had the "schooling debate" a couple times lately. :o

I think most here are enlightened enough to support a truly free school system, or at the very minimum, one in which the federal government is not involved.

 

[Roxi]

 

[Corey]

I just know my favorite slave quote is about to pop up in this thread:

"But what would we replace it with????"

 

[heavenlyboy34]

awesome!

 

[steve005]

I'd like to propose the idea that responsible parenting these days means not dumping your kids in public school. That is, a responsible parent will, along with providing food and shelter, either home school or send their kid to private school, and unless and until a parent is able to do so, they should not have kids.

dude get a grip, if we know what the deal is we can tell our kids otherwise when they get home

 

[Son of Detroit]

I'd like to propose the idea that responsible parenting these days means not dumping your kids in public school. That is, a responsible parent will, along with providing food and shelter, either home school or send their kid to private school, and unless and until a parent is able to do so, they should not have kids.

If this was the case, there would be one less vote for Ron Paul since I wouldn't exist right now.

 

[nicoleeann]

Well I agree if you are implying that public schools should be abolished because the parents should have taken into responsibility the schooling before they got pregnant. I'm so sick of people saying we need to have public schools and give tons of money to them because "children are our future, etc, etc, Collectivist crap like that." well our future doesn't bode very well if we can't even take care of our own selves without stealing from another person.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Well I agree if you are implying that public schools should be abolished because the parents should have taken into responsibility the schooling before they got pregnant. I'm so sick of people saying we need to have public schools and give tons of money to them because "children are our future, etc, etc, Collectivist crap like that." well our future doesn't bode very well if we can't even take care of our own selves without stealing from another person.

+rep