Prove Iran is NOT a threat

[RickyJ]

Prove Israel is not a threat.

 

[centure7]

Can your cousin prove that Pakistan is NOT a threat? If not, should we go to war with them?
How about Saudi Arabia?

A country being a threat isn't good enough to go to war over. There were a lot of threatening bullies around when I was in school. But did I go around picking fights with them? LOL, no. I waited until they were ready to attack before I defended myself.

 

[Cabal]

Burden of proof is on the assertion that Iran is a threat.

 

[MaxPower]

Hey everyone,

My cousin and I would like your help to prove to our neo-con friend that Iran is not a threat. This is our basic case so far:

1. Iran has never once mentioned any hostility towards the United States.
2. Iran is years away from a nuclear weapon. (Heard RP say this, but does anyone know of any sources).
3. Ahmadinejad never said he intended to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth."
4. Iran can't even afford enough gasoline for themselves: how could they afford a war? (Sources please).
5. Iran isn't suicidal. Why would they attack the worlds largest superpower?

Hope you guys can provide some quality articles, etc.

Iran has about 1% the United States' military budget. If they tried to attack the United States, they would be utterly demolished within hours; ergo, they are not a threat. Beyond that, why don't you ask your friend to produce a single precedent, anywhere in all the annals of history, for such a remarkable event as a tiny third-world country trying to invade the undisputed global hyperpower? I do not think it is an exaggeration to say that an Iranian invasion of the US would constitute the single most asinine military offensive ever launched.

 

[lollypop]

Forget Iran. Iran has pacts with Russia and China and now today with Pakistan and Afghanistan,if she get attacked, they will help Iran. Russia, Pakistan, and China DO HAVE NUKES !!! http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/aug_2001/iran_russia-military_pact-26801.htm
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/china-will-not-hesitate-protect-iran-even-third-world-war
If we ,the USA, do not want to start WW 3, we need to learn to leave Iran alone. And if Israel goes for it, we need to stay the heck away no matter what. If Israel wants to commit suicide, that is not our problem. Israel is strong and has Patriot missile protection and reportedly a Star Wars canopy now. They are leasing Tel Aviv roofs for the fireworks. Why would Israel do that if they did not think they were immune.

 

[idiom]

Try it from another angle, what could Iran do that would stop America from attacking it at this point that Iraq didn't do?

Iraq had no-fly zones, let inspectors through, did everything requested of it.

So America accused it of having secret weapons labs that only the CIA knew about.

The CIA says Iran is not building nukes. Iran says it is not building nukes. Iran having nukes is pure tinfoil and paranoid delusion.

There is nothing Iran can do to stop America now. America will attack based on nothing. Iraq proved this.

 

[ForLiberty2012]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha1rEhovONU

The plans to attack Iran have been on the books for years... They just need to beat the war drums enough to convince the American people that we won't be safe unless we pre-emptively strike Iran. It's the same war propaganda that lead to Iraq. Instead of going out of your way to give him facts... Ask him to prove to you Iran is a threat.

 

[awake]

Those who want to murder and injure scores of human beings need to prove their justification for such atrocities. Even more, they should answer why after these acts they should not be held accountable in full regard.

Great and wondrous lies are needed to make all this acceptable, hence the propaganda - lies made to sound plausible.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You can't prove a negative? Prove that there isn't an ice cream factory on Jupiter.

This is correct. In all candor, proving a negative is in all but extreme cases a logical impossibility. We could prove that the moon was not made of cheese because we landed on the thing and took samples, but logical conditions were extremely controlled. There is only one moon, there are no variable factors except location upon it. The moon is and has remained in isolation for millions of years.

You can prove that John Doe does have homicidal intent, but you cannot really prove that John Doe does not have homicidal intent.

You can list the litany of indications which would tend to indicate that John Doe, or in this case Iran, does not plan to be a threat, but actual proof of it is a logical impossibility. That is how the warmongers get away with what they do, by taking advantage of the natural laws of logic against a society ignorant of them.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Burden of proof is on the assertion that Iran is a threat.

Although 100% true, that will not convince your 'average' person who sees the burden of proof as a mere technicality rather than the logical imperative it is.

 

[USAFCapt]

Ahmadinejad does NOT control the nations military forces, either the IRGC or Iranian artesh (Farsi for army). Article 110 of the Iranian Constitution spells this out.

 

[moderate libertarian]

Hope you guys can provide some quality articles, etc.

Clearly Iran can be a threat to Israel, that is why Israel will think many times before becoming a threat to Iran:

Iran: Our satellite photographed Israel's Dimona reactor, IDF bases

the Iranian website Mashreq claimed that the recently launched Navid-class satellite was able to take detailed photographs of the nuclear reactor in Dimona as well as "sensitive sites, air forces bases, and various areas of Tel Aviv."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...ed-israel-s-dimona-reactor-idf-bases-1.413335

 

[Danke]

Someone have that post made here from a SAM operator familiar with operations over in the Middle East? Showed how futile it would be for Iran to attack anyone.

 

[cdc482]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know that 1 out of the 3 guys who MOSTLY like Ron Paul except for his foreign policy has been converted. See thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...uy-Lawn-Sign-in-Tenessee-before-Super-Tuesday

The other 2 are still in the works, but getting there. I'm convinced that 1 of them knows Ron is right. He just isn't willing to uproot from his past just yet...

 

[bolil]

Ummmm, so does approximately 12.5 thousand miles, including one sea and once ocean help? Inability to process oil into gas? Their navy= Speed boat our Navy= Nuclear powered aircraft carrier with enough weaponry to likely end the world as we know it... To say they are not a threat is ridiculous. EVERYTHING can be conceived as a threat. "Even hobbits are dangerous in their own way"-Gandalf... but as threats go they, Iranians and Hobbits (Provided you are not the dark lord bent absolute tyranny), are negligible.

 

[Cabal]

Although 100% true, that will not convince your 'average' person who sees the burden of proof as a mere technicality rather than the logical imperative it is.

Fair point, but if these same people reject logical thinking, they no amount of proof is likely to convince them anyhow. They've already demonstrated an unwillingness to reject logic and reason, so any logic and reason you use to make a case against the assertion that Iran is some threat will similarly be ignored and rejected.

I suppose there may be some exceptions to this, but I think this is generally accurate in all likelihood.