Proof Of God Thread.

Most people think my friend Trent is crazy. Yet, I see little difference between him and people who claim to see angels and believe in invisible gods.
Neither can be proven and both are strong feelings/emotions created in your brain.
If you are correct about God being a feeling in your head, then my friend trent is really a titan from the future sent here to live out a "failed" divine plan as he puts it.
 
If anyone was wondering... I was the person who gave this thread a 1 star.

Just thought I should let ya'll know...
 
Most people think my friend Trent is crazy. Yet, I see little difference between him and people who claim to see angels and believe in invisible gods.
Neither can be proven and both are strong feelings/emotions created in your brain.
If you are correct about God being a feeling in your head, then my friend trent is really a titan from the future sent here to live out a "failed" divine plan as he puts it.

Torch,
I am not a Christian but I respect peoples rights to believe in what they want
You know I am not a child and I am probably old enough to be your mother but I feel sad that you are no longer one of my favorite people. I don't apreciate you telling me I am insane like your friend because of what is true for me.
Carry on my friend and when the time comes for you to leave I hope you find a very happy surpise when you find out you are not just a body.
 
Don't blame Torch, he didn't kill religion. And if it can't be credited to Darwin, I would then credit the Hubble telescope's "deep field" capabilities.

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March 9, 2004: NASA releases a single image taken by the Hubble Space telescope that proves a fatal blow to the concept of God, but despite the compelling evidence, many simply don’t comprehend the significance of the image.

Hubble vs God

According to many interpreters of the Bible and the Book of Genesis, there is proof that the Earth and Universe is only 6,000 years old. Even scientists like Dr. Michael Brown, the Director and Principal Researcher of the Molecular History Research Center who graduated with a Ph. D. in Biology with an emphasis in Molecular Biology, will scientifically show you that carbon dating is wrong, the universe is stable and that we all descended from one 6,000 year old mother, Eve. Man was created by God in his own image for a special purpose. Different religions offer slightly different descriptions of that purpose, but clearly, it is widely accepted that we are God’s children and the Earth is the most important place in the universe.

OK. So in summary, the universe was created, the Earth was created and Man was created, all during Creation Week and all with supernatural logic and reason behind it. Some religions believe all of this, but dispute the “young Earth” assertions of Biblical Creationists. In Islam, Allah created the Big Bang and all the rules that followed it. The Earth took many years to form and every new scientific discovery can be explained away by attributing it to Allah. It just seems too convenient.

If you’re reading this at night, go get a plastic drinking straw and go outside and look up. What you can see with the naked eye from one position on Earth is about 2,500 stars at the most. All of them are in our galaxy, the Milky Way. The Milky Way contains somewhere between 200 and 600 billion stars (that’s billion, with ‘b’). The size of our galaxy is somewhere between 70,000 and 100,000 light-years across. The nearest star to our own Sun is Alpha Centauri and it’s only 4.35 light-years away. We all know that a light-year is the distance light travels in one year, but what it actually means to us is when we look up at the night sky and see Alpha Centauri, we are actually seeing what it looked like 4.35 years ago. We are looking back in time.

Now, find the Moon. Divide the diameter of the Moon by ten. It’s a pretty small spot, right? Pick any apparently black section of sky (between stars) of about a tenth of the moon’s diameter and look at it. There’s nothing there, is there? Now stare at that one little spot of the sky. That’s pretty much exactly what the Hubble Space Telescope did every night in late 2003. Over 400 orbits of the Earth, Hubble took 800 exposures of the same patch of space at varying focal lengths to produce an incredibly deep image. This image is known as the Hubble Ultra Deep Field (UDF).
 
Torch,
I am not a Christian but I respect peoples rights to believe in what they want
You know I am not a child and I am probably old enough to be your mother but I feel sad that you are no longer one of my favorite people. I don't apreciate you telling me I am insane like your friend because of what is true for me.
Carry on my friend and when the time comes for you to leave I hope you find a very happy surpise when you find out you are not just a body.

Are you saying my friend is insane, but you are not?
 
Don't blame Torch, he didn't kill religion. And if it can't be credited to Darwin, I would then credit the Hubble telescope's "deep field" capabilities.

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To be honest, that picture brings me closer to a religious experience than anything else.
The magnitude of the cosmos around us is overwhelming.
 
To be honest, that picture brings me closer to a religious experience than anything else.
The magnitude of the cosmos around us is overwhelming.

As the author said, if you go outside and look though a straw this is what would fill that diameter. And the depth of the image in view would make the straws "depth" 8 foot long. And those aren't stars, they are galaxies.
 
As the author said, if you go outside and look though a straw this is what would fill that diameter. And the depth of the image in view would make the straws "depth" 8 foot long. And those aren't stars, they are galaxies.

each with billions of stars and trillions of planets.... to much for the mind to comprehend.
That is what keeps me agnostic.
 
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It's ironic that you would make such a claim without providing any proof to warrant the truth of your assertion.
So far I've proven that creationism is a myth. And I didn't even go into cosmic radiation, just about humans. I'm too lazy to look for anything since you will just deny it, but as a historical insight, Pilat was recalled to Rome because of his murderous punishments and he was disgraced and he had to commit suicide in order for his offspring to inherit anything. If you think that this guy made people choose who to let live, you're naive. Also, the Bible isn't complete since each Apostle had a book and Vatican edited what will be in it or not. If you read about the politics of that time, you can see why the Bible was changed. You don't prove anything, so why would I do it? lol. We're on the thread on which we can say anything and claim it's true just because we wanna.

And you can see constellations. You can use any tool to prove something as long as it's verifiable and it relies on logic.

About gay marriage, the term marriage shouldn't be used for it and even though I'm not a religious person, I believe that the government has no job in marriage - this including the raping of the man in family courts. Now, I don't want the use of term marriage for gays due to the historical use of the word - a man provides for a woman in order for her to have sex only with him and ensure the paternity of the children. This is pretty much the reason why marriage was invented and it's pretty obvious that it was for a man and a woman. Since the state won't get out of marriage, they should have a similar contract, but not called marriage. And unless they are indeed trying to shove their gayness on us, they would be happy with it.

And about education, when I will go to a graduate in the US, I will pay 20 000$ or so more in tuition due to not being a resident. Why the fuck would I pay taxes too after I graduate? Fuck you, everyone should pay 20 000$ more. I'll have loans to pay for that cover those extra 40k I paid during my education due to idiotic regulation.
 
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People believe in god through faith, not reason. Places of worship, in my opinion, are largely filled due to tradition: children grow up believing what their parents believe, raise kids, repeat.

Second, again I say that the absence of proof is not sufficient to assert it's opposite. That is a logical fact. For example, if no one can prove that statement "A" is true, it does not require "~A" to be true. Take Einstein's E = mc^2 for example. Just because, before Einstein, no one would have been able to prove E = mc^2 does not mean it is false. Humans are quite limited, and the faculty of reason is indeed not nearly enough to comprehend this being we are discussing, god.

I believe Descartes did attempt such a thing you seek, however. It does not convince me, and I do not believe it will convince you, but here is something to mash around I suppose (taken from Wikipedia article on Descartes' meditations):

Argument 1

1. Something cannot come from nothing.
2. The cause of an idea must have at least as much formal reality as the idea has objective reality.
3. I have in me an idea of God. This idea has infinite objective reality.
4. I cannot be the cause of this idea, since I am not an infinite and perfect being. I don't have enough formal reality. Only an infinite and perfect being could cause such an idea.
5. So God — a being with infinite formal reality — must exist (and be the source of my idea of God).
6. An absolutely perfect being is a good, benevolent being.
7. So God is benevolent.
8. So God would not deceive me and would not permit me to error without giving me a way to correct my errors.

Argument 2

1. I exist [cogito ergo sum].
2. My existence must have a cause.
3. The cause must be either:

a) myself
b) my always having existed
c) my parents
d) something less perfect than God
e) God

4. Not a. If I had created myself, I would have made myself perfect.
5. Not b. This does not solve the problem. If I am a dependent being, I need to be continually sustained by another.
6. Not c. This leads to an infinite regress.
7. Not d. The idea of perfection that exists in me cannot have originated from a non-perfect being.
8. Therefore, e. God exists.
Actually it was proven where we come from. Creationism is proven fake. The only question that still remains is if God exists.
 
Actually it was proven where we come from. Creationism is proven fake. The only question that still remains is if God exists.
What's the point to life anyway? Everyone might as well kill themselves if there's no point.
 
What's the point to life anyway? Everyone might as well kill themselves if there's no point.

The 'point' of life is what you make it.
Carl Sagan believed the point of life was to understand who we are and our place in the cosmos.
You won't accomplish this point of life holding on to old world myths in spite of modern day knowledge.
The idea of God evolved over time. Even in the bible- the ideas of God and after life changed over time and it is still changing today.
 
I have concluded that Torchbearer is a Deist. He clearly does not believe in any of the religious or supernatural claims, yet he also clearly believes in some form of a creator god.
 
I have concluded that Torchbearer is a Deist. He clearly does not believe in any of the religious or supernatural claims, yet he also clearly believes in some form of a creator god.

I don't know if there is a divine/creator- and I don't claim to know everything.
I look at the cosmos and understand that I don't know shit. This thing is immense and we are learning new stuff all the time. Kind of a clue that there is more to know.
So I stay agnostic, otherwise I eliminate possibilities and keep myself closed minded to all possibilities.
 
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