Prominent Evangelical David Lane to Take Rand Paul To Israel

[dinosaur]

It's "ridiculous"

Yes.

It is also ridiculous to jump to the conclusion that it was a "pledge", when there are so many other more sensible conclusions that one could come to.

 

[kathy88]

That's a strange claim. Why not?

Because it's a stupid ass photo op every neocon on the planet has taken advantage of.

 

[garyallen59]

All i know is that if i were in Israel and had a chance to visit the Wall I would want a picture.

 

[SpreadOfLiberty]

All i know is that if i were in Israel and had a chance to visit the Wall I would want a picture.

Some here don't understand that Biblical history is very important to Christians.

 

[erowe1]

Because it's a stupid ass photo op every neocon on the planet has taken advantage of.

A photo op is a reason not to vote for him?

 

[eleganz]

The 2013 CPAC Straw Poll isn't even here yet and Rand already has David Lane working with him and this makes some of you guys unhappy?

Do you or do you NOT want to win?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

The 2013 CPAC Straw Poll isn't even here yet and Rand already has David Lane working with him and this makes some of you guys unhappy?

Do you or do you NOT want to win?

Call me crazy, but, it depends on what it takes. I'm for principal, even if it means waiting a bit longer.

edit: Otherwise, I don't think it will last.

 

[eleganz]

Call me crazy, but, it depends on what it takes. I'm for principal, even if it means waiting a bit longer.

edit: Otherwise, I don't think it will last.

I hear you but I think many people underestimate what it really takes to win elections. Its as if we all forgot what we all went through these last 8 years. Remember what Ron said about 'being' the tent?

I think Rand is trying to do exactly that.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Call me crazy, but, it depends on what it takes. I'm for principal, even if it means waiting a bit longer.

edit: Otherwise, I don't think it will last.

You're going to be waiting more than a bit longer if you want another Ron Paul.

 

[AuH20]

Great article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2012/12/05/rand-pauls-new-message-on-israel/

 

[supermario21]

I love the subtle shot he took at McCain, Graham, and Ayotte on Benghazi, too.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

You're going to be waiting more than a bit longer if you want another Ron Paul.

And why is that? Because standing on principal doesn't "seem" to pay off? Because winning becomes more important than what we stand for?
When Ron said we must become the tent (ismw) he meant in numbers of principled people, and making coalitions, not sucking up for the sake of gaining the appearance of numbers.

 

[specsaregood]

And why is that? Because standing on principal doesn't "seem" to pay off? Because winning becomes more important than what we stand for?
When Ron said we must become the tent (ismw) he meant in numbers of principled people, and making coalitions, not sucking up for the sake of gaining the appearance of numbers.

Even if we stood on principle and get those numbers of principled people up you wouldn't get another Ron; because he did it alone for decades.

 

[itshappening]

David Lane claims he is a 'political operative' who works behind the scenes in upto 15 states with pastors and christians. That's good news if he likes Rand Paul..

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...d-lane-admits-im-actually-political-operative

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Even if we stood on principle and get those numbers of principled people up you wouldn't get another Ron; because he did it alone for decades.

I understand that. There is one Ron Paul, but there can be many that stand on principle and learn to build coalitions. We already see an effect that is starting to take place, where our voices are making a difference, even as small as it is.
The discussion taking place is important for our country as well as each and every individual. Ron wants people to prepare to "pick up the pieces" and get this country on track for the sake of liberty and freedom and self governance. Spreading the message as well as supporting those who stand on principle is important to this effort.
Amash, Demint, etc... are taking notice while our voices are raised and it emboldens them, that's what Ron did NOT have (so much). We can embolden those that "would" become like Ron. In other words, maybe there are those that want to be like Ron, but don't have the staying power like him, but WE can help with that by emboldening them, giving them strength through our vioices and "recharging their batteries", so to speak.

 

[D.A.S.]

I haven't made up my mind yet whether I will support Rand for President when the time comes or not. Very possibly I will not like a lot of the things he will have to say on the campaign trail when he does run for President, especially on the questions of foreign policy. I guess it will come down to this: do you TRUST that Rand's intentions are pure and that he simply learned to be a shrewd politician, or don't you.

There are two things one must consider, in my opinion, when judging Rand.

One, you can't break down political establishment overnight, just like you can't end the Fed overnight. The only way a liberty candidate can have a shot at the White House is through the establishment, with a good amount of compromise and incremental changes to the desired direction. The problem here is convincing the most fervent supporters of liberty (i.e., core Ron Paul supporters) that you're still the real thing. If you want results faster, Rand is *probably* the quickest way to get there, given the establishment doesn't co-opt him too badly in the process.

Two, and this sort of ties in with the first point, the voting public simply won't compromise on certain issues, even if they drive us as a country off the so-called fiscal cliff (some would say we're already falling off that cliff as we speak, but just bear with me for a moment). One such issue is Israel, and that issue spans both the Republican and Democratic political theaters -- probably a lot more of a hotbutton issue on the Republican side. There's simply no way around Israel if you're running for a Republican nomination. And Rand has already pissed off too many Democrats to hope for any support on the blue side, so without the Religious Right, he stands no shot at the Republican nomination, and we continue with the establishment.

Here are some nice quotes that you will need to be prepared to swallow if you want Rand to win in 2016:

Christian Zionists appear willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, for now. One pro-Israel leader says, “The question before me is if he is different than his dad — smarter than his dad – or just making the right noise.” He adds wryly, “Evangelicals believe in forgiveness.”

It is true that in the GOP, and especially among evangelicals who vote in strong numbers in the primaries, solid support for the U.S.-Israel relationship is as important as hot-button social issues. Figures who are adored by the tea party — a group composed largely of Christian conservatives – such as Sarah Palin and Texas Gov. Rick Perry are fervently pro-Israel. But politics is a game of mutual self-interest. As Brog said, “If Senator Paul returns from his visit and demonstrates that he has become a true friend to Israel — in both word and in deed — then Christians United for Israel will be among the first to congratulate him and welcome him ‘home.’”

 

[PaulConventionWV]

And why is that? Because standing on principal doesn't "seem" to pay off? Because winning becomes more important than what we stand for?
When Ron said we must become the tent (ismw) he meant in numbers of principled people, and making coalitions, not sucking up for the sake of gaining the appearance of numbers.

Just sayin'. Ron was special. You're not going to get another one of him for a long time. That's just the way it is. If you're not satisfied with Rand, you may never be satisfied because Ron Paul was a once-in-a-lifetime politician.

 

[robert68]

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[robert68]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2012/12/05/rand-pauls-new-message-on-israel/

From the article:

Christian Zionists appear willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, for now. One pro-Israel leader says, “The question before me is if he is different than his dad — smarter than his dad – or just making the right noise.” He adds wryly, “Evangelicals believe in forgiveness.”

What's his dad guilty of?

 

[presence]

David Lane on Glenn Beck dated 12/3

Talking limited government, business deregulation, lower taxes, social and fiscal conservatism, evangelical vote, etc.