Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Truth Warrior]

There are deaths galore of living, breathing people. Death is Market Sector with us. Many many many many deaths are routinely the result of aggression, crime, malfeasance, cost cutting, recklessness, neglect, endangerment...ILL INTENT, not predicament.

Anti-Abortion Enthusiasts offer to carry the bench, when a piano wants moving.

PREVENT unwanted pregnancies!

 

[Gaius1981]

I am pro-not-forcing-women-to-carry-out-unwanted-pregnancies.

Honestly, the thought of forcing someone to grow a creature inside themselves is beyond immoral to me, and it also has negative secondary consequences, such as in the cases where the mother simply cannot afford raising, or feeding, a baby.

If you ban a woman's liberty over her own body, you'll also contribute to seeing infants being abandoned in the woods, and women killing themselves through internal bleeding caused when they try to abort the embryo themselves.

 

[cheapseats]

PREVENT unwanted pregnancies!

As much as possible, absolutely.

Better education and BETTER ROLE MODELS, for starters.

PREVENT CAR CRASHES!

PREVENT FOREST FIRES!

PREVENT SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES!

PREVENT ENVIRONMENTALLY INDUCED CANCERS!

I observe that none of these noble goals has a zero-tolerance rate. People dying here, there and everywhere...how do embryos that are not independently viable rank above The Living for consideration?

 

[Highland]

did you guys see the ad to "Help Save the Unborn" at the bottom of this post? Wild......I think it is definitely a message.

 

[Truth Warrior]

As much as possible, absolutely.

Better education and BETTER ROLE MODELS, for starters.

PREVENT CAR CRASHES!

PREVENT FOREST FIRES!

PREVENT SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES!

PREVENT ENVIRONMENTALLY INDUCED CANCERS!

I observe that none of these noble goals has a zero-tolerance rate. People dying here, there and everywhere...how do embryos that are not independently viable rank above The Living for consideration?

Who said that they do? I just don't think that they rank below either.

 

[cheapseats]

did you guys see the ad to "Help Save the Unborn" at the bottom of this post? Wild......I think it is definitely a message.

Straight from Madison Avenue. Those ads are content driven placements.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

About miscarriages...

There are around 4.4 million pregnancies in the US, around 1 - 1.3 million of those end up miscarried.

That's because miscarriage is nature's way (when karyotypes are performed on miscarriages fetus', over half have had chromosomal abnormalties). Most miscarriages result from OY zygotes, which are not viable to live at all. These are 'boys' concieved without the X chromosome, which contains 10% of the necessary genes for survival (while the Y only contains 4%). There are other sex-chromosomal disorders that also can influence miscarriages, such as conceiving a Turners syndrome girl (OX - 10% of miscarriages) or a Klinefelter's syndrome boy (XXY).

I mean, I don't know how you can really relate the two.

 

[cheapseats]

Who said that they do? I just don't think that they rank below either.

Resources are scarce...this is bedrock.

If Society does not rank that which is viable over that which is not viable, that which is real over that which is potential...I draw attention back to the OTHER bedrock of Survival Of The Fittest...that Society is not apt to be among the Survivors.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Resources are scarce...this is bedrock.

If Society does not rank that which is viable over that which is not viable, that which is real over that which is potential...I draw attention back to the OTHER bedrock of Survival Of The Fittest...that Society is not apt to be among the Survivors.

"Society", being a mere abstraction, ranks NOTHING.<IMHO>

 

[cheapseats]

I am pro-not-forcing-women-to-carry-out-unwanted-pregnancies.

Honestly, the thought of forcing someone to grow a creature inside themselves is beyond immoral to me, and it also has negative secondary consequences, such as in the cases where the mother simply cannot afford raising, or feeding, a baby.

It is an engraved invitation to abuse.

 

[Spider-Man]

And yet, you are not up in arms over the countless innocents who have been killed in Iraq alone.

Why do not "Pro-Life" people enlist...the Armed Services are issuing ALL KINDS of waivers, like the Romans...and act as human shields for pregnant women in Iraq and Afghanistan? It couldn't NOT have a mitigating affect on bloodshed.

Or are we also cherry picking about which Life is sacrosanct?

Pro Life, Pro Liberty...is that not the party line? Where is the outrage over the MILLIONS of lives that languish behind bars for the grand crime of smoking pot?

I'm not sure I understand your argument. I am pro-life (against abortion), anti-war, and for the legalization of drugs. So, I'm not sure how that's an inconsistent view.

 

[cheapseats]

"Society", being a mere abstraction, ranks NOTHING.<IMHO>

The People who constitute the Society, by their choices as to how they direct their resources or allow them to be directed, most certainly DO rank people, places and things.

We rank professional athletes above professors, for example. We rank Disneyland above Independence Hall.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Can we do retroactive abortions on absurd people? I could think of a few people I'd like to abort... lol ~giggle~

 

[Spider-Man]

Where is the mourning for the billions of "naturally" aborted fetuses.... the miscarriages... which total 67% of all conceptions...?.

The difference is that miscarriages are natural deaths which occur by no intentional act or omission of the mother. An act or omission that is intended to terminate the life of another human is murder, plain and simple. An unintentional miscarriage is not.

 

[Truth Warrior]

The People who constitute the Society, by their choices as to how they direct their resources or allow them to be directed, most certainly DO rank people, places and things.

We rank professional athletes above professors, for example. We rank Disneyland above Independence Hall.

What we are you talking about? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

 

[cheapseats]

I'm not sure I understand your argument. I am pro-life (against abortion), anti-war, and for the legalization of drugs. So, I'm not sure how that's an inconsistent view.

Do you agitate on the other fronts? Do you march on Washington to end the war, perhaps incurring the wrath of Washington DC's Finest? Do you block the entrances of prisons, perhaps incurring the wrath of Guards?

Or do you only agitate against the tiny target of individual, unarmed women within the confines of THEIR, not your, bodies?

 

[cheapseats]

What we are you talking about? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Disingenuous. You just finished claiming that Society is an abstraction that ranks nothing.

 

[Paulfan05]

Im pro choice but I hate late term abortions

 

[Truth Warrior]

Disingenuous. You just finished claiming that Society is an abstraction that ranks nothing.

And I STILL do. NOTHING has changed.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/abstraction

Reading for comprehension, often works wonders.<IMHO>

 

[cheapseats]

NOTHING has changed.

That's right.

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

No one changes their mind on this one.

That's why the Powers That Be-Some-Of-Whom-Belong-In-Jail always trot it out in election years to whip the electorate into hopeless and acrimonious division.