Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

  • Pro-Life

    Votes: 79 54.1%

  • Pro-Choice

    Votes: 49 33.6%

  • I obstinately refuse to answer, or I have no opinion.

    Votes: 18 12.3%
  • Total voters
    146
  • Poll closed .
Alright 1st post here. Though definitely been following here and reading about Ron Paul for months, never felt too motivated to voice anything.
A couple people wanted some atheists' opinions so I'll share

This is one of the stupidest things to argue over and never will be resolved. Women need to get real and comprehend that they have basically determined the direction of the human race from conception. Everything involved with getting pregnant is pro choice. Even after conception their bodies decide what's carried to term. Our species doesn't reproduce by rape and if people had a decent grasp of biology they'd realize that raping a woman is more like to damage her reproductive gear than to facilitate it. There's benefits to having it legal and illegal and the only loser to the equation really is the parent.

Pro-Life
-Needlessly stopping life is bad, how complicated do you really need to get
-Supporting our species from the beginning sets a consistent tone that's tough to argue
-Late Term when it's got the ability to breath is a bit disturbing

Pro-Choice
-Do you really want a woman who feels the need to kill her unborn child to reproduce?
-How many billion breathing people exist on this planet does one more unwanted make it better?
-Obviously forcing a woman to carry a child that's damaging her health and can kill her won't have pretty results either way
-Incest since I already covered rape yeah nasty but we are all very related especially if you believe some of those silly religious books
-Preventing some genetic disorders lame but knowing your child has a genetically debilitating issue that can kill them sucks not to mention if it could be then passed on from them. Counter is we probably need to preserve as much genetic variation as possible and if the medical field was a bit more competent we'd have better ideas of dealing with it than killing it.

So government out states decision sounds great to me, people can form a cult for either that way. This women deserve sovereignty over their bodies as a right needs to stop cuz to have this issue to begin with it has already been plenty violated.
 
M House said:
This women deserve sovereignty over their bodies as a right needs to stop cuz to have this issue to begin with it has already been plenty violated.
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Women HAVE sovereignty over their bodies as a Natural Right and, yes, Truth, "to have this issue to begin with it has already been plenty violated."

Amen.
 
Truth Warrior said:
How many of the 48+ MILLIONS are just irresponsible AFTER the fact birth control for "accidents" (so called )? :rolleyes:
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We are come full circle again...to Square One, to mix metaphors...supporting the argument that people of different beliefs are unlikely ever to reach consensus on Abortion.

How many of those 48+ million non-events, and the carelessness that may have precipitated them, are your affair?

If you declare that even one of them is, you take upon yourself an obligation to afford the same concern and effort to the millions of children worldwide who suffer in squalor and literally starve to death.

What are your thoughts on Anti-Abortion Enthusiasts acting as human shields for pregnant women in Iraq and Afghanistan? I could actually imagine that ENDING the war...peace is as music to God's ears, yes?
 
Pro-life.. I do not have an older sister because of this and it has torn my mother apart to this day..

Yes, women have the right to freedom of choice- that freedom in my eyes however was BEFORE they got pregnant. With abortion, I see it as an infringement of the child's right at that point. Someone can goto jail for murder if they kill a child in the womb- a doctor can be sued if they cause any problems to a child in the womb- but for some reason it's ok for the mother to do it? Makes no sense to me personally. The idea of abortion itself just seems to degrade the worth of human life.

Education and prevention needs to be pushed.. and yes, there are accidents- everyone knows that and takes that risk by having sex period. I got pregnant when I was 17 and manned up to it, even though I was that .03% that get pregnant on birth control pills. I've seen way too many girls use abortion as a birth control method after the fact- how are we ever going to encourage people to be responsible when they can always just 'get rid of the problem'..?

I know this is a very touchy and controversial subject- I am not here to argue, just wanted to state my views..
 
cheapseats said:
We are come full circle again...to Square One, to mix metaphors...supporting the argument that people of different beliefs are unlikely ever to reach consensus on Abortion.

How many of those 48+ million non-events, and the carelessness that may have precipitated them, are your affair?

If you declare that even one of them is, you take upon yourself an obligation to afford the same concern and effort to the millions of children worldwide who suffer in squalor and literally starve to death.

What are your thoughts on Anti-Abortion Enthusiasts acting as human shields for pregnant women in Iraq and Afghanistan? I could actually imagine that ENDING the war...peace is as music to God's ears, yes?
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Off on a bogus set of irrelevant tangents yet once again. :(

Being opposed the murdering the unborn in the USA, is NOT signing on to solving the world's tragedies.

The same as the rest of the politics CRAP.

The Illegality, Immorality, and Violence of All Political Action
http://users.aol.com/xeqtr1/voluntaryist/vopa.html
 
JenH88 said:
Pro-life.. I do not have an older sister because of this and it has torn my mother apart to this day..

Yes, women have the right to freedom of choice- that freedom in my eyes however was BEFORE they got pregnant. With abortion, I see it as an infringement of the child's right at that point. Someone can goto jail for murder if they kill a child in the womb- a doctor can be sued if they cause any problems to a child in the womb- but for some reason it's ok for the mother to do it? Makes no sense to me personally. The idea of abortion itself just seems to degrade the worth of human life.

Education and prevention needs to be pushed.. and yes, there are accidents- everyone knows that and takes that risk by having sex period. I got pregnant when I was 17 and manned up to it, even though I was that .03% that get pregnant on birth control pills. I've seen way too many girls use abortion as a birth control method after the fact- how are we ever going to encourage people to be responsible when they can always just 'get rid of the problem'..?

I know this is a very touchy and controversial subject- I am not here to argue, just wanted to state my views..
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Thank you for your intelligent and enlightened views. :)
 
JenH88 said:
Pro-life.. I do not have an older sister because of this and it has torn my mother apart to this day..
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NOT to minimize your mother's grief or your loss, but pretty much every family and every individual has sorrow and woe in the life story.

Amber Alert seems like a worthy bit of intervention, but shall we have one for everything? Maybe a PB&J warning...not peanut butter and jelly but pit bull and jugular...to advise families if someone with a pit bull or other Menacing Animal moves into the neighborhood? Which Dangers are special enough to warrant Control By Others?


Yes, women have the right to freedom of choice- that freedom in my eyes however was BEFORE they got pregnant. With abortion, I see it as an infringement of the child's right at that point. Someone can goto jail for murder if they kill a child in the womb- a doctor can be sued if they cause any problems to a child in the womb- but for some reason it's ok for the mother to do it? Makes no sense to me personally. The idea of abortion itself just seems to degrade the worth of human life.
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Anyone worth their salt will respect your opinions, and any country worth its salt will let you express them.

But out of that, we get the state's right to govern and control a woman's reproductivity? It is as something out of the Dark Ages.

Forcing someone to have a child is a hop, skip and a jump from forcing someone NOT to have a child. Some countries do that. It IS a policy. Seventy-plus percent of the people say we're on the wrong track, and I agree. But what track to we mean to be on?


Education and prevention needs to be pushed..
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No question. Yet the ranks of Anti-Choice include a considerable number who are opposed to government expense on world-class education, a point on which I am in complete disagreement. We daily SEE and LIVE the consequences of Ignorant Masses.


and yes, there are accidents- everyone knows that and takes that risk by having sex period. I got pregnant when I was 17 and manned up to it, even though I was that .03% that get pregnant on birth control pills.
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Good on you, sincerely. But you cannot mean that whatever decision you made, and the life you lead as a result, should be legislatively and punitively enjoined upon people who do not feel as you did and who are not in the circumstantial shoes that you wore.



I've seen way too many girls use abortion as a birth control method after the fact- how are we ever going to encourage people to be responsible when they can always just 'get rid of the problem'..?
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Begging your pardon, but we just witnessed the Brightest and the Richest unload a trillion dollars of accidents.

I am sick and fucking tired...apologies for the language, you've no idea how hard I am trying to quit smoking and swearing...of looking at people's unergarments. Guys with their pants practically around their knees, color-coordinated bra straps. Really, I don't think it's right that I should have to look at that shit. I also think that spitting on the streets and sidewalks is vile, insulting and unsanitary. What all shall we control via punishment?

You/Universal Pro-Life will say that my examples don't equate with HUMAN LIFE, for God's sake. But then I will re-direct to the unmistakable cherry picking as to sanctity of life...which renders the ENTIRE sanctity of life argument false. In a true/false paragdigm...which is what Anti-Abortionists try to squeeze this inordinately personal issue into...if something is only inconsistently true, it is false.



I know this is a very touchy and controversial subject- I am not here to argue, just wanted to state my views..
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Ditto, though I acknowledge that I would endeavor to persuade some Pro-Life people not to be Pro-Choice but to become Pro-this-isn't-even-in-the-top-ten-issues-plaguing-America-and-maybe-doesn't-belong-in-politics-at-all-though-I-myself-feel-strongly-against-abortion.

Peace.
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the Liberty of the child must be protected.

no civilized society would kill its unborn children. it's a simple as that.
 
Truth Warrior said:
Off on a bogus set of irrelevant tangents yet once again. :(
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If anything approximating even half of Board Members and Guests generally concur with Truth Warrior's assessment of my work, this would be an excellent time to let me know.

The truth hurts, but it hurts less than wasting time.

Someone still thinking he should be president when half the people expressly disagree is too bizarre even for words. Same anywhere. Who would WANT to hang where they are not wanted or appreciated? Including babies, it bears mention.

But Libertarians and Ron Paul devotees are a minority. You will expand your ranks or you will not gain power.

You know who compromises on nothing? Fanatics, Fundamentalists and the Fringe. Read that, Extremists.
 
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cheapseats said:
Whatsa matter, your arsenal wearing thin? You have already lobbed this volley.

Well you are obviously a very SLOW learner. :(

You are less a Warrior of Truth than a Warrior of the Last Word.

Like I really give a SHIT about what you think about anything. :p

I leave you to it.

GOOD!
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:rolleyes:
 
What I don't understand is why after I explicitly stated I was not here to argue points, that I just wanted state my personal views, why were my views ripped apart? (and, yes, I literally mean ripped, as nearly every point was responded to separately) I did not attack or argue anyone else's arguments here, asked for the same respect, and didn't get it.. sad if you ask me.

I don't believe in pushing my beliefs on anyone, and I don't appreciate anyone else doing it in return.

I am personally against abortion, but I do believe it is a states rights issue- and believe we need to worry about proper education over punishment (personally I am a strong advocate of this coming from the PARENTS, it is not the school's responsibility)
 
Yeah definitely a government decision just pick one throw it in the constitution and move on. Right now the arguments gonna be filled with tools and users. How many people really like being one of those.
 
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