Pro Life group will not endorse Paul because he is an "isolatonist"

[scandinaviany3]

go after the pro life voters now

Yet Paul’s stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

“He’s an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I’d support him,” she said. “A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way.”

http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/012508/news_20080125022.shtml

Yes, pro-life only means protecting unborn babies. It does not mean protecting the lives of our American soldiers. Got it.

Ron has video at the National right life events this year and the recent march in dc and the jane roe endorsement!

Lets not worry about the leaders trying to run the world.

Lets get the money to the blimp teams pre superbowl super tuesday ads where our pro life, pro family message ad from chuck baldwin can hit every spot we can!

 

[micahnelson]

How would he try to speak to them?

We are upset at people who claim to be pro-life, but will not support someone who favors a foreign policy of peace. The hypocrisy is maddening. Obviously it doesn't extend to pro-lifers who are consistent in their views.

When you refer to people as bigots on the level of the KKK, you lose any credibility in your attempt to claim you want people to be civil.

 

[paulette]

Reach out and kill someone to prove you aren't an isolationist.

What sheep.

I don't get too angry too often- only once on this forum. But I am mad as hell now. I am so tired of the hypocrisy of the pro-life movement in this country. First of all, it OBVIOUSLY isn't a pro-life movement. It is anti-abortion. I am pro-life because:

1) I don't support taking life before it is born. (abortion)

2) I don't support forcing people to end their life after they are born (state sponsored euthanasia)

3) I don't support ending the lives of criminals (Death Penalty)

4) I only support violence in self defense, when the perpetrator has forced you to decide between his life and someone else's life. (The just war doctrine and self defense)

That is what it means to truly be pro-life.

I have heard it said that the only difference between abortion and murder is geography. The same differing characteristic divides invasion/occupation and national security.

EVEN IF WE ACCEPTED IT ALL AS TRUE... fighting them "there" so we don't fight them "here",
who gave us the right to use another nation as our staging ground for a fight against terrorism. If we truly are sustaining this war to pick a fight with al qaeda in Iraq instead of fightinig them here, then we are using the Iraqi people as cannon fodder and we are responsible for the civilians that die in terrorist attacks related to this war.

Isolationist, what fools - what sheep. They wouldn't support Jesus either, he would have been against preemptive war.

VERY GOOD POST.

 

[liberteebell]

Yet Paul’s stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

“He’s an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I’d support him,” she said. “A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way.”

http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/012508/news_20080125022.shtml

Yes, pro-life only means protecting unborn babies. It does not mean protecting the lives of our American soldiers. Got it.

Yep, save the unborn so we have plenty of bullet sponges for pre-emptive war 18 years down the road. Sick!!

I often tell people that RP believes in a culture of life, not a culture of death. Makes 'em say, "hmmmmmmm".

 

[Danny Molina]

Maybe we can email this particular group. Try to sway them in our direction.

 

[PimpBlimp]

I love how all this censorship is neatly telling us which organizations are nWo controlled. It's really neat!!!

This guy gets it

The leaders of these so called social conservative groups are showing their true colors here. Bought and payed for shills just like a lot of the radio hosts.

 

[Ernest]

Just goes to show that this "pro life" group is no more pro life then GW.

 

[Dutch_in_Hanoi]

So sick of all the negative BS on this forum in general and this thread in particular.

If you would actually take the time to open the link and read the article then you'd see that they are not negative about Ron Paul at all. They just wont endorse him officially at this point, but if you'd read between the lines you could also see that a lot of their members do approve of Paul's pro-life stance and that he has also picked up a key endorsement from one of the more prominent pro lifers. Even if the organization wont officially endorse him at this point there will be plenty of members that sway in his direction.

The whole article is not negative but of course this forum manages to spin it into a multi-page cry baby thread whining about how mistreated we are and how stupid all the pro lifers are.

Well.. one thing is for sure.. If they ever do decide to google Paul and they'd end up at this forum they'd be turned of big time about all the bashing they receive and they'll vote for someone else. Nice job guys, keep it up...

 

[tsetsefly]

This sounds like the anti-war folks that try to push their socialist agenda but use their stance against the war as a front to their real goals.

It appears that this pro-life group is no better...they don't really care about being pro-life.

+10000

 

[Lord Xar]

well, the big problem is they are using the words "ISOLATIONIST" - which was a media derived keyword that has a negative connotaton.

Also, I would be curious what affiliations these people have.. as why dont they want us out of everyone's business. Who's business do they want us in.

Anyways, for such a serious org, you'd think they'd have it right about using that isolationsist bologne..... Ron is OPPOSITE of islationist.

 

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

Yet Paul’s stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

“He’s an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I’d support him,” she said. “A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way.”

http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/012508/news_20080125022.shtml

Yes, pro-life only means protecting unborn babies. It does not mean protecting the lives of our American soldiers. Got it.

obviously what they "know" about RP has been "learned" from the MSM... it's sad, but there's a lot of people out there like that

 

[AggieforPaul]

I think its consistent most pro-fetuses value more unborn "life" than living human beings, remember the stem cell"controversy".

Please be careful with your generalizations. There are a LOT of pro life people in the Ron Paul camp who are working very hard to support his candidacy

 

[DeadtoSin]

Everyone knows that tsetsefly is an angstmeister that seems to hate Christians/pro-life/whatever and a pretty well known troll in my opinion.

 

[Rhys]

The thing you need to remember about AVID single issue voters is, they're DENCE. They can't see the forest from the trees.

The best thing is to count your losses and move on.

We'll get the next one.

 

[Soccrmastr]

Some people are too ignorant to help.

 

[SilentBull]

Whenever someone says this all that needs to be asked is for them to state the definition of isolationism. I bet they cannot.

 

[Lucille]

The GOP, Ron Paul & Non-Interventionism

Email them that piece.

Money quote:

First though, it's important to distinguish non-interventionism from isolationism. The former seeks a more rigorous and delimited definition of America's interests, while the latter a walled garden that completely cuts America off from the world. Non-interventionists are not pacifists, but they do reserve war fighting for moments of actual national peril. (Paul, for instance, voted to authorize war in Afghanistan in 2001.) They do not view the military as an instrument of social policy. If war is to be fought, non-interventionists demand a Congressional declaration of war to ensure that the conflict is one in which the nation's resources are fully brought to bear.

Unlike isolationists, non-interventionists do not fear expanding and liberalizing trade (Paul has frequently said as much). Non-interventionists are confident in American strength and, unlike isolationists, are optimistic about America's engagement with the world. What they do not seek, however, is dominion over it. Non-interventionists trust that Western values are persuasive on their own terms, and become correspondingly less so when they are imposed on societies at gunpoint. Finally, non-interventionists tend to possess a truly conservative skepticism about government and the malleability of human nature. They do not believe America should squander its blood and treasure as it pursues utopian schemes like "ridding the world of evil."

"Blood and treasure." What are we. Pirates? How about calling it what it is for a change; losing lives, limbs, international good will and driving our nation to bankruptcy.

 

[H Roark]

Wow the hypocrites! If you call yourself a pro-life organization why is it that a candidate must meet other criteria to get an endorsement, especially one that adheres to being pro-life in the first place!?

 

[Edward]

So sick of all the negative BS on this forum in general and this thread in particular.

If you would actually take the time to open the link and read the article then you'd see that they are not negative about Ron Paul at all. They just wont endorse him officially at this point, but if you'd read between the lines you could also see that a lot of their members do approve of Paul's pro-life stance and that he has also picked up a key endorsement from one of the more prominent pro lifers. Even if the organization wont officially endorse him at this point there will be plenty of members that sway in his direction.

The whole article is not negative but of course this forum manages to spin it into a multi-page cry baby thread whining about how mistreated we are and how stupid all the pro lifers are.

Well.. one thing is for sure.. If they ever do decide to google Paul and they'd end up at this forum they'd be turned of big time about all the bashing they receive and they'll vote for someone else. Nice job guys, keep it up...

What he said.

 

[Redcard]

I think by Isolationist, they're afraid that Ron's really pro choice by ttheir standards.

For example, pro-lifers are "PRO. LIFE."

Not "I think it's wrong but it should be up to the states to decide."

Simply.. "I think it's wrong." The followup can be anywhere from "And I think people who do it should pay a fine" all the way up to "And I think people who do it should be executed."

When they see Ron Paul being an isolationist, what they, in their eyes, are seeing is someone who wouldn't go fight for the innocents no matter what.