President Paul?

2012 is too early for rand


Depends on how bad the economy gets next year and if Rand becomes seen as the bipartisan antithesis of all that is wrong with Washington D.C. He could get into the debates at no financial cost and might get a huge ratings bump. He may be essentially a celebrity by this time next year. It might cause him backlash in Kentucky as disingenuous for the Senator position. Plus whoever inherits the White House in 2013 will have a stinker of an economy like Obama. 2016 might be a better time frame for Rand. But he could probably phrase his reasoning for a 2012 run in a very palatable way. He did campaign on essentially all national policy issues after all..I mean, Kentucky might be damned proud to have their freshman senator become President.
 
Depends on how bad the economy gets next year and if Rand becomes seen as the bipartisan antithesis of all that is wrong with Washington D.C. He could get into the debates at no financial cost and might get a huge ratings bump. He may be essentially a celebrity by this time next year. It might cause him backlash in Kentucky as disingenuous for the Senator position. Plus whoever inherits the White House in 2013 will have a stinker of an economy like Obama. 2016 might be a better time frame for Rand. But he could probably phrase his reasoning for a 2012 run in a very palatable way. He did campaign on essentially all national policy issues after all..I mean, Kentucky might be damned proud to have their freshman senator become President.

I really think it is Ron's time, and too early for Rand. However, I do think it is possible that assuming Ron isn't cheated out of his subcommittee, he might decide not to run, and make use of his committee more fully. In which case my only concern about Rand running too soon is that if he is shot down so early, it might hurt him in 2016, when I think he actually stands a pretty good chance of winning.
 
Assuming that his actions and voting record over the next year or so are befitting of a son of Ron Paul, I would be willing to support Rand in a 2012 presidential run, but I doubt he would have a serious chance. Keep in mind how much flack Obama took in 2008 for his inexperience, even in the context of an extremely friendly national media environment, and even when he did have several years in state-level politics preceding his unfinished Senate term; Rand would have to be selling himself as a presidential candidate barely a year after taking office for the first time.

Moreover, he would only be my distant second choice as a presidential candidate- his father is more qualified, more deserving and by all indications the superior of the two both in terms of positions and integrity. I would rather that Rand wait until 2016 to run for the presidency, and settle for supporting his dad in 2012.
 
No chance

He'd have to start campaigning almost immediately on zero record

Most of the serious presidential candidates have already made several trips to Iowa and New Hampshire to start drumming up support and building their networks
 
All this Rand Paul 2012 talk is utterly stupid and it discredits our political acumen. Same with the neocon morons who want Rubio to run for POTUS next year.

Let's see how Rand votes and what he accomplishes, if we want him to run in 2016.
 
All this Rand Paul 2012 talk is utterly stupid and it discredits our political acumen. Same with the neocon morons who want Rubio to run for POTUS next year.

Let's see how Rand votes and what he accomplishes, if we want him to run in 2016.


Bill Clinton was polling nationally at something like 1-2% at this point relative to the 1992 election if I remember correctly.
 
No chance

He'd have to start campaigning almost immediately on zero record

Most of the serious presidential candidates have already made several trips to Iowa and New Hampshire to start drumming up support and building their networks

He is campaigning with every appearance on T.V. now. What if inflation rises to 4% in February, 5.5% in April, 8% in June and 11% in August? If he is in the debates he will look like a prophet. Doesn't cost anything to get in the debates as far as I know.
 
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Earliest Rand could really run - if he doesn't run in 2012 - would be 2020. There will be an incumbent Republican running in 2016, and I doubt Rand would run against whoever it is.
 
Earliest Rand could really run - if he doesn't run in 2012 - would be 2020. There will be an incumbent Republican running in 2016, and I doubt Rand would run against whoever it is.
Bleak as it may look for him now, I have a suspicion Obama is still liable to win a second term. Keep in mind the profoundly fickle nature of the voting public- just within the last decade, we've seen utter electoral turnabouts from thorough Republican dominance to thorough Democrat dominance and back again. I believe many of the "Tea Partiers" just elected to Congress are cut from the same cloth as their Republican predecessors and will chicken out when it comes time to really fight for reductions in federal overreach; there will be some who will fight the good fight, but I am dubious about their chances of actually succeeding in reining in the budget. Basically, there is a good chance that the public will feel cheated again by 2012, and that a resurgence in Progressive zeal combined with the incumbency advantage will carry Obama to victory.

Or, if we are indeed talking about a 2016 Republican incumbent, there is a good likelihood this fellow will be an insufferable neoconservative like 95% of the Republicans in Washington D.C., in which case I surely hope Rand would be willing to step up to the plate.
 
If Rand ran in 2016 and won the nomination, would he have to give up his Senate seat?
 
Earliest Rand could really run - if he doesn't run in 2012 - would be 2020. There will be an incumbent Republican running in 2016, and I doubt Rand would run against whoever it is.

He will run to relieve his father, who will be about 80 years old at that point.
 
It's Ron's time to run. He has a better shot at winning anyway. We do need good Senators, not just good presidents...
 
2012 is too early for rand

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