Preparing for the PAW (Post Apocalyptic World) ModNote: COPY of original

[GunnyFreedom]

Oh God pleeeeze put me on that list!!!

OUTSTANDING!!! heh...

If it does go down that road, then I am quite sure everybody on RPF's will know -- and I will be setting up a little website for coordination of the project. I'll probably use the FSP-Wyoming and FSP-NH as a kind of model for setting up the site, with additional details on land, locations, acreages prices etc.

If I do end up going down that road (a possibility I consider 50/50 at this point, we'll see if I win State House) then I'll want to get the whole community that wishes to participate in on the action -- helping pick the location, the land the price etc. I can assure you I don't want to just be 'the guy' who does everything and expects others to just toe the line -- that's not my style.

And with modern technology, that will be easier done than said. Posting pictures of land live, twittering negotiations live, discussing business and job opportunities live on twitter and wordpress etc.

So we'll see come November 2010 what happens. If the locals insist on keeping their progressive despite the Constitutional conflict involved, then I will be setting up a "GaltGulch" Ning (or some such name) to coordinate the project.

And thanks!

 

[Lord Xar]

So what is the verdict on the radiation pills? Gunny and AME3 seemed to post diff. ways to avoid thyroid issues.

Which is it? Rubbing on body, or ingesting?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

So what is the verdict on the radiation pills? Gunny and AME3 seemed to post diff. ways to avoid thyroid issues.

Which is it? Rubbing on body, or ingesting?

The proper way to protect against radiation poisoning destroying your thyroid is a relatively expensive pill made of Potassium Iodate.

http://www.campingsurvival.com/potiodpilkio.html

It's just possible that with the right meter you can use iodine to provide the same protection, but it is likely to make you extremely sick (which pretty much destroys your survival chances by preventing you from doing other equally necessary things), where the potassium iodate pills sold at the above link will not make you sick at all.

Rubbing iodine on the outside of the body does nothing but pigment your skin temporarily.

 

[Dr.3D]

The proper way to protect against radiation poisoning destroying your thyroid is a relatively expensive pill made of Potassium Iodate.

http://www.campingsurvival.com/potiodpilkio.html

It's just possible that with the right meter you can use iodine to provide the same protection, but it is likely to make you extremely sick (which pretty much destroys your survival chances by preventing you from doing other equally necessary things), where the potassium iodate pills sold at the above link will not make you sick at all.

Rubbing iodine on the outside of the body does nothing but pigment your skin temporarily.

Might be a good idea to edit your post #8 to reflect the change.
Wouldn't want anybody to accidentally poison themselves.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Might be a good idea to edit your post #8 to reflect the change.
Wouldn't want anybody to accidentally poison themselves.

Done! and thanks!

 

[AME3]

Wondered how long it would be before you corrected that Gunny.... You seem somewhat stubborn and persistent to say the least, in regards to your opinions, at least in this case. Personally I am somewhat quicker to admit when I am wrong about something, especially if it involves the health and well being of someone else. It was my concern for the health and well being of those who were reading your post concerning the use of iodine that prompted me to offer a correction in the first place. Were it not such a critical issue, I would have kept my mouth shut.

In regards to your claim that the tabs are expensive...I disagree and offer the following proof that they are not expensive : http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/potassium-iodide.htm

I also take issue with your claim that the painting of the iodine solution on the skin as being ineffective except for the discoloration of the skin, and submit the following links:

http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm
or : http://www.ibiblio.org/rcip/nuclear.html#homeremedy

 

[AME3]

In regards to Lord Xars question, I would suggest following the guidelines as published by the DOD (NRC)...Time, distance and shielding, decontamination procedures, tablets to protect the thyroid from cancer, etc. and 2% iodine only on the skin, as a last resort measure only. Although it is not conclusive, the studies that I have read, conducted by the Penn State researchers as well as some others, strongly suggest that it is a suitable protective measure. NEVER EVER HOWEVER, SHOULD YOU EVER DRINK IODINE WHETHER IT IS ONE OR TWO TEASPOONS, PERIOD!

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Wondered how long it would be before you corrected that Gunny.... You seem somewhat stubborn and persistent to say the least, in regards to your opinions, at least in this case. Personally I am somewhat quicker to admit when I am wrong about something, especially if it involves the health and well being of someone else. It was my concern for the health and well being of those who were reading your post concerning the use of iodine that prompted me to offer a correction in the first place. Were it not such a critical issue, I would have kept my mouth shut.

In regards to your claim that the tabs are expensive...I disagree and offer the following proof that they are not expensive : http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/potassium-iodide.htm

I also take issue with your claim that the painting of the iodine solution on the skin as being ineffective except for the discoloration of the skin, and submit the following links:

http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm
or : http://www.ibiblio.org/rcip/nuclear.html#homeremedy

Not sure you've been paying attention to the thread...

Because I acknowledged the fact on 8/18, and only today was reminded to correct the OP....

And regardless of that site, I still doubt there will be enough topical skin absorption to make that much of a difference.

But hey, if it makes you feel better to be disgusted by me, then far be it from me to crash on your happiness! (even if it is based out of your imagination instead of reality...)

 

[AME3]

You had to be reminded?
I find that sad...
And you are still insistent on being a medical expert....
Good luck on your political ambitions, you certainly seem to possess the character for the job.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You had to be reminded?
I find that sad...
And you are still insistent on being a medical expert....
Good luck on your political ambitions, you certainly seem to possess the character for the job.

LOL AME3 - I have been irrationally hated and despised by better men that you. So by all means!

 

[AME3]

LOL Gunny, of that I have no doubt.
Hate? No I do not hate you, nor do I feel inclined to continue this pis...g contest with you. My only objective here is to try and lessen any further harm that your mis-information might cause. Your belligerence and ego have complicated these efforts. I apologize for my loss of temper, and any inappropriate remarks, but I stand firmly and adamantly by my convictions regarding the subject.
Were you a better man, a man of greater character, then you would have responded much sooner than you did, admitting candidly, that you were wrong....you might have even thanked me for bringing your error to light. I even commended you personally, in an effort to provoke that response so that those following this discussion would clearly understand the danger of drinking iodine. But, no, you chose instead, (only after it was unescapable due to the preponderance of evidence presented) to offer up a weak and diluted concession, lacking in clarity. Another mistake on your part, IMHO, which may very sadly result someday, in some poor soul drinking iodine. I only pray that all who have read your advice have come back and gotten the truth. And that, gunny, is all I have to say about that.

 

[Dr.3D]

Now I feel bad about saying anything in this thread about that.
I should have probably messaged Gunny privately.

Now please, the both of you.... shake hands and make up.
I have respect for both of you but this has gone on long enough and it serves no productive purpose at all.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Now I feel bad about saying anything in this thread about that.
I should have probably messaged Gunny privately.

Now please, the both of you.... shake hands and make up.
I have respect for both of you but this has gone on long enough and it serves no productive purpose at all.

Please don't worry Dr.3D.

If you notice, the ONLY posts that AME3 has made in his entire history on RPF's have been to attack me, which he is still doing. I have no problems making peace, but at this point I doubt that the guy even wants peace. He seems to be locked in some kind of anti-me vendetta.

But really I don't mind. It has been my experience that doing things on principle tends to win you irrational enemies.

 

[AME3]

Peace

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Peace

Hear here, peace! and if in any way I have overstepped, I apologize. My intent is never to offend; but I do have a contrarian nature where I become incapable of backing away from a challenge. I mean all around -- it was the challenge that had me pick the Marines instead of the Air Force. As Monk would say, it's a blessing, and a curse.

 

[AME3]

Gotta love the monk, gonna miss him...

 

[AME3]

Now that the iodine thing is behind us Gunny, let us continue to discuss this PAW survival thing. What other if any, considerations are there? Should we all stock up on the survival equipment and supplies, take a paramedic course, secure a homebase with water and protection, etc.? Should we focus more on nuclear events than bio or chemical ones?
Do you think, and I am almost certain that you do, (your having been in the Corp), that there are some skills and tips etc. in regards to organizing a group (post event) and establishing a council or committee to create an alliance or team which would improve everyones chances of survival? Like having a security team and leader, medical personnel, resource procurers, ...etc.
How also, would one approach others for purposes of barter and trade in a safe and controlled fashion?

 

[AME3]

What are your thoughts about clothing? I am in the process of assembling a collection of high tech warm and cold weather attire. I like the new quick drying, wrinkle free, light weight stuff coming from Columbia, NorthFace, and the likes. There are also high tech socks and liners to keep ones feet warm, cool and most importantly, dry. I like the thorlo brand especially, and have been to their outlet in Statesville NC where they sell to the public (slight blemishes, all cosmetic) at significantly lower prices. I have a pair of hemp jeans and some hemp socks and shirts, which I trully love. They are (unbelievable, but true) soft and comfortable...more so than cotton, even egyptian or pima. Not like canvas, as most people believe. The durability is unbelievable too. I am planning on testing them in the cool damp woods one day, if I can muster up the courage that is.

I recently purchased NorthFaces convertible warm weather trail pants. They are really comfortable and lightweight but rugged. I have found some nice stuff through the deluth trading co., like wrinkle free sports coats, dress slacks and shirts which are great for travel and can be hand washed in a hotel sink and dried quickly. I even have one of their sport coats that my friends all thought was an Armani. I had to show them the label to prove to them that it wasn't.
The cost is a little on the high side, but they stand by their stuff like LLBean, and the quality and versatility make it worth it, IMHO.

I have collected several styles of military BDU's which I use in heavy brush or all around outdoor work. The heavy ones are almost like canvas, I have found them to be pretty good, although I hate the drawstring waste thing.
Cotton I have been told, is death in the wet cold environment. Wool on the other hand, retains heat even when wet. The fabrics like gortex breath and allow moisture out but block moisture from entering. Kevlar is but another interesting material with exceptional characteristcs. All in all their are some pretty cool fabrics around that's for sure.

A tip: the high end outdoor stores are selling off their summer lines at great prices as they move to the cooler season stuff.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I actually had about 2 hours worth of a reply that I had put together in my text editor, and in the course of multitasking on other items created a catastrophic system failure that crashed my text editor before I saved or posted the text. Now I have a job to run to today, but I'll get back here again tonight, and reconstruct most of what I wrote yesterday.

 

[AME3]

What a bummer. I know exactly how you feel. Am looking forward to your input.