Preliminary Post- Debate Polls

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http://www.vox.com/2016/10/10/13223134/second-presidential-debate-poll-trump-clinton

It will be a few more days before we get really methodologically rigorous polls measuring how the electorate felt about the second presidential debate, the impact of which will be intermingled with the Trump leaked tape scandal that broke two days earlier.

Still, the early indications suggest that Hillary Clinton has won — though less decisively than she won the first debate.

CNN/ORC conducted a poll of debate watchers — an audience that, the network’s David Chalian pointed out, “skewed a little more Democratic.” The poll found that 57 percent of respondents thought Clinton won, and only 34 percent thought Trump won.

Additionally, YouGov polled 812 registered voters who watched the debate, and found slightly less rosy numbers, but still a narrow win for Clinton. Forty-seven percent thought Clinton won the debate, and 42 percent thought Trump won, according to the poll. Among undecided voters polled, 44 percent thought Clinton won and 41 percent gave the night to Trump.

As for unscientific focus groups, one (from CNN) was a disaster for Trump, with only one participant thinking he won, and one (from Fox News) was fantastic for him, with pollster Frank Luntz proclaiming “he’s back in this race.”

So … those are two very different perspectives, and help illustrate how the results of a focus group are pretty much wholly dependent on who gets picked to participate.

Additionally, research indicates that media judgments about who "won" a debate could help influence voters’ perceptions of who won, so the spin war in the press could prove important in the coming days. And pundits are a bit more divided this time around, with some saying Trump was awful and others arguing that he averted disaster and made a strong case against Clinton.

But the bigger picture is that Trump was losing the election before this debate. There’s no real indication in the post-debate polls so far that he’s helped changed that dynamic.
 
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Ah yes- polls are great when they show your candidate winning. When they show you not winning, they are BS. Trump needs a bump and there is no indication he got one. He didn't "blow it" but he wasn't a "clear winner" either. He solidified his base a bit but didn't add any new supporters with his performance.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-second-debate-probably-didnt-help-trump-and-he-needed-help/

So suppose that we call the debate a draw. Suppose, furthermore that the tape the Post published didn’t damage Trump. Instead, let’s say the polls look about the same a week from now as they do today, with Clinton holding a 5 or 6 percentage point lead. Maybe Clinton’s numbers were a little inflated after the first debate and Trump has even gained a point or two, somehow.

That’s still a fairly awful position for Trump with time running out, undecided voters getting off the sidelines, early voting already taking place in many states and little or no ground game to help provide a strong finishing kick. There’s the third debate, but without an extremely strong performance in that one, Trump is probably left hoping for an “October surprise” or a big polling error (not impossible, but it would have to be larger than the 4-point margin by which Brexit polls missed).
 
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There's no indication of anything yet in the post debate polls, because there are no post debate polls.
 
It's gonna look like the debate hurt him in the polls because the ones coming out now have him down by double digits. He'll probably get some of that back in the post-debate polling.
 
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