PREDICTION: Ron Paul will be excluded from Tuesday's debate.

[wecandoit]

There won't be official word until very late Monday or early Tuesday, when it'll be too late to organize a barage of phone calls or email protests.

They have learned their lesson.

Does anyone think the idea of banning Ron Paul from future debates ended with the 10K plus signature petetion to the MI GOP? Do you think the head of the MI GOP was the only one who felt this way? or that their desire to ban RP was reversed due to the petition, or was it increased?

They feel they can't afford a repeat of the South Carlina debate where the talking heads scoffed and dismissed RP only to see him with 36% of the text voting shortly after. What followed was probably the biggest surge of campaign contributions any candidate has seen yet.

Fox news was hopping mad, the MSM was hopping mad, as was the GOP.

By excluding Ron Paul at the last second, they would avoid a similar embarassment, and wouldn't have to worry about any more debate appearances from RP for a long time, if ever.

Understand, I want to be very wrong about this prediction.

I make this prediction to soften the blow of the deflation of our efforts they want to acheive and to reinterate what I've been saying. In order to get Ron Paul elected here is what we must do.

* Forget the polls, the media, and most likely the debates.
* Don't allow them to deflate our efforts or expectations.
* We have to be the press, inform everyone we can about RP, and what is happening.

* Make sure that those who want Ron Paul, will VOTE for Ron Paul, in the early primaries

*And then the biggest hurdle of all, do everything we can to prevent and expose voter fraud, to make sure votes for Ron Paul are tallied.

Folks, it's going to be a knock down, drag out, bloody fist fight for 7 more months.
Paul HAS to win or do very well in NH,Iowa, etc.

When he does, the man behind the curtain, the great and powerful OZ( the media) will be exposed, and it will be downhill from there.

 

[kylejack]

I doubt they'd pull that. I think he probably will be excluded after this debate, though.

 

[maggiebott]

Saturday morning

c-span went down the list of candidates for this next debate and Ron Paul was never mentioned. I got that pang in the pit of my stomach.

I'm sorry, but I won't sit here in silence and let them get away with this. I'm going to light up the phone lines.

 

[kylejack]

c-span went down the list of candidates for this next debate and Ron Paul was never mentioned. I got that pang in the pit of my stomach.

I'm sorry, but I won't sit here in silence and let them get away with this. I'm going to light up the phone lines.

They were probably tired of receiving all the Ron Paul calls whenever they mentioned him.

 

[dwdollar]

I think the MSM is beginning to see Ron as a ratings gimmick. The other robots on stage are boring. Email boxes that would have otherwise been near empty are now flooded with comments by RP supporters. I suspect we have reached a critical mass in which the MSM will keep him around for the near term.

 

[rockjoa]

Maybe they will shorten the amount of time a candidate has to speak. What Ron Paul has to say will take more than few sentences to get across.

Observe this clip, its Family Guy but it is good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNjkiT-7vd0

Sad thing is people want easy answers that don't make people worry, think hard, or make the US look bad. Ignorance is bliss until it is too late.

 

[aravoth]

They kick him out of the debate we should storm the VLA and broadcast a signal across the whole microwave and UHF band. Imagine that, Ron Pauls voice coming out of every television, and every radio, probably a few cell phones as well. And the MSM can't cut it off. lol, that would kick ass.

 

[maggiebott]

I called the RNC 202 863 8500 and couldn't get a live person. Left a spewing tirade on voice mail for my outrage of Ron Paul not being included in the next debate. I believe it was some exective's box. This is fascism at it's finest folks!

My message to WECANDOIT is not to sit quiet until the primarys but to fight on and keep calling.

 

[theblatanttruth]

They kick him out of the debate we should storm the VLA and broadcast a signal across the whole microwave and UHF band. Imagine that, Ron Pauls voice coming out of every television, and every radio, probably a few cell phones as well. And the MSM can't cut it off. lol, that would kick ass.

Psst, I'm a cellular, satellite, and fiber communications technician

 

[Bradley in DC]

I called the RNC 202 863 8500 and couldn't get a live person. Left a spewing tirade on voice mail for my outrage of Ron Paul not being included in the next debate.

Ok, a few points. Obviously it's a free country and I don't control you or anyone else (well, except my dogs, I guess). I don't think the RNC is even a sponsor of the event and would not have any control over it.

More importantly, the Paul campaign is very concerned with being tied to "spewing tirades" which contradict his own personal approach. The manner of these types of responses (via email, voicemail, web postings, etc.) are very detrimental to the campaign and help to marginalize him. They offer excuses to those who want to exclude him from the debates, online polls, etc.

Calm, POLITE, well reasoned and factual efforts are our best way to go.

 

[wecandoit]

Maybe they will shorten the amount of time a candidate has to speak. What Ron Paul has to say will take more than few sentences to get across.

After thinking on it some more, what would serve their interests even better than excluding Ron Paul, is for Ron Paul to have to cancel himself, or have a really bad performance.

I hope RP is careful about where he goes, what he does, and what he eats the next 72 hours. Call me a paranoid conspiracy case, I think I'm being realistic. I know how the GOP and politics in general operate. Paul handed them their butt after the last debate, and it is within their power to assure that doesn't happen again.

My suspiscion is that it wasn't the head of the MI GOP's idea to start that "ban Paul" petition, it was most likely suggested to him to do so from higher up.

Since that backfired and they now know what they are up against, I expect their resolve to ban Paul has only strengthened, and their tatics have changed.

I'm trying to think like they think, and they have to get back to the total "ignore" startegy as fast as they can and demoralize the movement. With no more debates for a long time, they probably see this as their best last chance to drive a stake in the heart of the RP movement.

 

[theblatanttruth]

Hell hath no fury like a united Ron Paul movement scorned

 

[wecandoit]

Ok, a few points. Obviously it's a free country and I don't control you or anyone else (well, except my dogs, I guess). I don't think the RNC is even a sponsor of the event and would not have any control over it.

More importantly, the Paul campaign is very concerned with being tied to "spewing tirades" which contradict his own personal approach. The manner of these types of responses (via email, voicemail, web postings, etc.) are very detrimental to the campaign and help to marginalize him. They offer excuses to those who want to exclude him from the debates, online polls, etc.

Calm, POLITE, well reasoned and factual efforts are our best way to go.

I agree, it's not my intention to get people riled up and sending emails and making phone calls that will only hurt us.

Only to be prepared for what MAY happen, and to remind everyone emailing and phoning may be wasted effort that would better be used for things that I outlined in the original post, the things I feel we have to do to get RP elected.

I'll repeat them here, this is where our energy should go:

* Forget the polls, the media, and most likely the debates.
* Don't allow them to deflate our efforts or expectations.
* We have to be the press, inform everyone we can about RP, and what is happening.

* Make sure that those who want Ron Paul, will VOTE for Ron Paul, in the early primaries

*And then the biggest hurdle of all, do everything we can to prevent and expose voter fraud, to make sure votes for Ron Paul are tallied.

 

[maggiebott]

squeaky wheel

So you suggest we sit and do nothing? What kind of message does that send?

Does anyone have a phone number for CNN? I'm mad as hell...and you know the rest. I want accountability for these actions which may take more than calm and easy does it.

 

[maggiebott]

I don't think that hunkering down until the primaries is sound advice. The silent majority will not be heard if the polls are fixed. Without exposure on the debates Ron Paul will go nowhere.

I'm not about to sit tight and do nothing. The media is the only possible source for the likely couch potato to hear Ron Paul. Your methods make no sense...sorry

 

[wecandoit]

So you suggest we sit and do nothing? What kind of message does that send?

Does anyone have a phone number for CNN? I'm mad as hell...and you know the rest. I want accountability for these actions which may take more than calm and easy does it.

I'm most definetly NOT suggesting we do nothing. At this point there has been no official word confirming Paul will or won't be there. Only that he was supposed to be there as of a month ago, BEFORE the SC debate, and no offical word since. So there isn't much we can do about insuring he gets in Tuesday's debate, other than send annoying messages, which the RP campaign has asked us not to do.

We are a forminable force, who must be prepared to press on IF he is excluded.
We can still be VERY forminable force, with or without debates, IF, we understand how to channel our energies.

I have no inside source saying he will be excluded, I'm just using my own logic. I do very much hope I am wrong.

 

[wecandoit]

The media is the only possible source for the likely couch potato to hear Ron Paul. Your methods make no sense...sorry

As I said, I hope I am wrong, but if I'm right, then your words may be admitting defeat, and I wouldn't be prepared to do that, how about anyone else?

If he does gets excluded, then I suppose letting them have it could be a good thing. But "letting them have it" now, over the possibilty of excluding RP, would probably only hurt.

I'm sending out a warning to all that don't think we can't be effective if we are unable to force the media, the debates and the polls to be fair.

None of those things have been fair so far, and look how we have grown. We can't pin all our hopes on the idea of the "powers that be" treating us fairly. We have to hope the best, and prepare for the worst.

 

[lucky]

hmmm

I kinda like spewing tirades myself.

 

[TheDuke]

Excluding him would fuel his campaign even more (money+supporters), so I don't think CNN will do something like that.

 

[zMtLlC]

It's still on the Calendar on his website. He's going to be there, he was already invited and everything. It's not like they could just refuse to let him in once he gets there.