PPP Tweets about e-mail received from Ron Paul supporter

[TexMac]

Face it, there are millions of RP supporters who are not members of this forum, so what's the point of arguing about this here? It is what it is. Nothing posted here will ever influence the people who might write an email like this.

 

[JulioForPaul]

PPP likes to sometimes tweet links to the conspiracy nut forum over at PrisonPlanet and have a good laugh. I tell you .....it's the god damned Alex Jones/Info war conspiracy theory idiots that are going to bring this campaign down.

 

[bcreps85]

No one said that voting irregularities and potential fraud hasn't occurred. What has happened may very well have been deliberate and orchestrated by the party or certain campaigns. That the results were not really influenced though, makes that point insignificant though. Every candidate does everything in his power to prevent those irregularities from happening. They will occur, but checks and balances in place should prevent them from happening on a wide enough scale to be significant.

This should be true, but it isn't. When votes are tallied in "secret locations", what can the campaigns really do to verify the vote? During that time, literally anything could have happened. When there is no paper trail with electronic voting machines and people are made to watch in rooms where they can't actually see the tallies, how are they supposed to verify the numbers?

 

[cdw]

The campaign has stated numerous times that they have that covered.

How can this be stated when there are missing ballets and there hasn't been a word from the campaign about it? Clearly they didn't have everything covered or else they would have been on the tv showing the video footage/proof of the numbers from the missing prescient to clear up the confusion for Iowans. It just isn't possible to be on top of everything, nor did I expect them to. What's more likely the case is that they didn't have a spy at every location to verify the votes and thus were screwed out of an unknown number of votes, but that they ultimately didn't see the need to make a fuss about it and put more emphasis on the plan of having their people stay behind to become delegates. And I don't have a problem with that since getting the delegates are what matters the most.

Edit: Great post pinkmandy! +rep!

 

[Liberty]

Maybe someone should inform PPP that Canadians are not allowed to vote in the U.S.

 

[FreedomRings]

Belief in a rigged system can do a lot more harm, both short-term and long-term, than the occasional vote fraud here or there. Why vote, why organize at all if the vote is rigged anyway?

Vote fraud does exist and should be aggressively prevented and countered behind the scenes. But it should not be talked about publicly, as the idea that the vote is rigged demoralizes and distracts current supporters and scares away potential ones.

Only go public if there is conclusive proof of massive fraud that significantly changed the outcome of an election. Even then the proof should be presented by an independent third party and not by a representative or supporter of the losing candidate.

As the underdog we just need to work harder than the establishment. They can rig a close election but not a landslide. If independent exit polls in November show 55% Paul and 45% Obama in each state, they just won't be able to turn that around.

 

[JohnGalt23g]

Once again, blaming electoral performance on fraud is Loserspeak.

Tell me, did we finish second in NH because of fraud. Should Jon Huntsman and his people be calling for an investigation there?

We're coming up on a bunch of states where we just might win. We certainly don't need to be putting any ammunition in the hands of people who would try to discredit those wins.

 

[robert9712000]

I think people are focused on the wrong thing,you think by trying to prevent people from saying dumb things or true things that might be interpretted wrong will help better Rons image?

Whats hurting our Image is the Media going out of there way to report anything viewed as abnormal about Ron Paul or his supporters to tarnish His name.Yes they report bad stuff about others but not to the degree they do with Ron.

Do you hear any stories about other candidates supporters doing dumb things or about Types of flights other Candidates take? The bill Oreilly thing was a great examplse,He goes out of his way to try to make the association with Ron and child molestors.Do they ask any other candidate about 3rd party runs?How many times has a Youtube poster made national news for any other candidate.I could find tons of offensive things said about Paul on Youtube but the media doesnt report that?

I could go on and on.The obvious bias in the media is the problem.The only thing i know to do is support those in the media who stand up for Rons defense like Judge Napolitano,Jason Lewis,Jerry Doyle ,Benn Swann ect

 

[Ender]

I think people are focused on the wrong thing,you think by trying to prevent people from saying dumb things or true things that might be interpretted wrong will help better Rons image?

Whats hurting our Image is the Media going out of there way to report anything viewed as abnormal about Ron Paul or his supporters to tarnish His name.Yes they report bad stuff about others but not to the degree they do with Ron.

Do you hear any stories about other candidates supporters doing dumb things or about Types of flights other Candidates take? The bill Oreilly thing was a great examplse,He goes out of his way to try to make the association with Ron and child molestors.Do they ask any other candidate about 3rd party runs?How many times has a Youtube poster made national news for any other candidate.I could find tons of offensive things said about Paul on Youtube but the media doesnt report that?

I could go on and on.The obvious bias in the media is the problem.The only thing i know to do is support those in the media who stand up for Rons defense like Judge Napolitano,Jason Lewis,Jerry Doyle ,Benn Swann ect

Agreed.

The MSM is fraudulent and we all know it. That one tweet is not going to take RP down, but all the nitpicking and finger pointing just might do it. The trick is that this freedom movement has got to become bigger than the media. We have to rise above them; outshine them.

It can be done.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

This guy:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?36656-AngryCanadian

 

[stillhere]

The 8 precincts in Iowa were SMALL...Maybe 200 votes total....wouldn't change anything, except between Santorum and Romney, but by all accounts Santorum led Romney. They count OUT IN THE OPEN in Iowa. They had someone watching EVERY tally. The reason why the Ron Paul supporter saw that Romney was ADDED twenty votes is the fact they counted the votes out in the open and everyone KNEW what the vote tally was from the precinct.

New Hampshire and South Carolina, so few dead votes were received that it was absolutely insignificant. It would change nothing. This stuff is embarrassing for the campaign. I highly doubt this was someone pretending to be a RP supporter, but actually was by the look at the people actually thinking that voter fraud has changed the vote.

Also forget the fact that the results have nearly mirrored the POLLS. It really is embarrassing for us when stuff like this happened. Especially without facts and basis. The only person to be screwed by disorganization and mistakes in the vote count was Santorum.

 

[nayjevin]

'Ministry of Truth' / up is down.

Ron Paul supporters are the most educated, informed, critically thinking segment of the voting population. In other words, the most sane.

There are even those among us who propogate the myth that Ron Paul supporters are 'crazy.'

Look at what happened to Kelly Clarkson. She had someone tweeting her propogating this myth. She was called anti-semitic, racist, and a homophobe.

Ron is the only candidate looking out for minorities, sovereignty for Israel, and equal treatment of all people.

Serial Hypocrisy is not limited to Newt Gingrich, and it is not always accidental. It is often a propaganda technique.

As to voting fraud, why would it be done if it was not effective? It is effective. And it always occurs, when the voting process does not defend against it.

 

[doctorfunk]

This should be true, but it isn't. When votes are tallied in "secret locations", what can the campaigns really do to verify the vote? During that time, literally anything could have happened. When there is no paper trail with electronic voting machines and people are made to watch in rooms where they can't actually see the tallies, how are they supposed to verify the numbers?

The caucus vote in Iowa is a straw poll. Everybody that's into politics knows this. Why would Santorum or Romney spend money and take the risk to rig a vote that doesn't really matter? Sure, public perception is good but look at santorum and his drop in popularity within days after Iowa.