PPP Tweets about e-mail received from Ron Paul supporter

[The Canadian]

The guy was just trying to point it out, stop calling the guy a idiot. If America didn't fuck up it's country Canadians won't be bothering trying to help get paul elected by supporting him with emails etc.... Your welcome by the way.

 

[specsaregood]

to a pollster? Why? Why not send it to the Christmas tree recycler? It doesn't even make any sense.

Well I never made claim to it making sense; but one would have to be blind to not see the similarily between that email and a great many threads here. Hell, we had dozens of threads claiming vote fraud before a single vote was cast, lol.

 

[LawnWake]

The guy was just trying to point it out, stop calling the guy a idiot. If America didn't fuck up it's country Canadians won't be bothering trying to help get paul elected by supporting him with emails etc.... Your welcome by the way.

True or not, it will make us look like like angry conspiracy theorists and doing that to major polling company ISN'T helping us. You've essentially pestered them by sending that email and made Ron and his supporters look bad.

It's funny how RP supporters keep talking about blowback, but are oblivious to it when they're causing it.

 

[NoPants]

Well if one Canadian Ron Paul supporter says it, all other Ron Paul supporters obviously believe the same thing.

 

[goldpants]

Alright this thread seems mighty wonky at this point. Here are the facts, there is a time and a place to voice concerns about voting fraud. The place is probably not PPP and the time certainly is not now with them. At the same time PPP seems to be unprofessional in proceeding to tweet an email like that. There is no verification that the email came from a Ron Paul supporter. Even if it did a professional polling company should ignore it as I am sure they do regarding emails from other candidate supporters. Finally, to the people crying about fellow supporters hurting the cause for writing such emails, calm down. There are bound to be many small pockets of misplaced support in any movement. Continue to educate and lead by example rather than fall into the trap of attacking allies.

 

[LawnWake]

Alright this thread seems mighty wonky at this point. Here are the facts, there is a time and a place to voice concerns about voting fraud. The place is probably not PPP and the time certainly is not now with them. At the same time PPP seems to be unprofessional in proceeding to tweet an email like that. There is no verification that the email came from a Ron Paul supporter. Even if it did a professional polling company should ignore it as I am sure they do regarding emails from other candidate supporters.

Thing is, they probably do ignore most of these but it takes 1 moment of utter annoyance and having to deal with too many of these emails and that stuff gets posted. It doesn't justify anything, but it's something we gotta take into consideration.

Finally, to the people crying about fellow supporters hurting the cause for writing such emails, calm down. There are bound to be many small pockets of misplaced support in any movement. Continue to educate and lead by example rather than fall into the trap of attacking allies.

Just because we know it's gonna happen doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to minimize it.

 

[pauliticalfan]

The email should have never been sent, but it also should have never been tweeted by PPP. Unprofessional all around.

 

[The Canadian]

First of all it wasn't me and I do understand blow back. We don't have these problems in Canada (That i know of ) and usually when Canadians bitch about a problem it gets fixed. Also our news media isn't allowed to lie to us unlike the USA. There has been a million things that have happened from RP supports that wheren't the best but only because America is corrupt. So to call a Canadian a Idiot who is only not wanting his own country turning to shit like America is out of line. America is turning into Canada's Mexico and we are sick of it. Everyone wants to help but not everyone knows the proper way too.

 

[pauliticalfan]

First of all it wasn't me and I do understand blow back. We don't have these problems in Canada (That i know of ) and usually when Canadians bitch about a problem it gets fixed. Also our news media isn't allowed to lie to us unlike the USA. There has been a million things that have happened from RP supports that wheren't the best but only because America is corrupt. So to call a Canadian a Idiot who is only not wanting his own country turning to shit like America is out of line. America is turning into Canada's Mexico and we are sick of it. Everyone wants to help but not everyone knows the proper way too.

Very brave of you to post in this thread with the username 'The Canadian' lol.

 

[The Canadian]

lol

 

[pinkmandy]

And, for what it's worth, there isn't a concerting effort among those in the media to marginalize and demonize Ron Paul supporters. The nutjob quotient among us do a good enough job themselves.

You know, so does the condescending, holier than thou, all knowing, judgmental quotient that treats anyone with different points of views as "nutjobs". Sorry but that's what I see happening in this thread and not just you. Pushing people away who hold different povs doesn't help the movement. And I have to say I think there's a bit of overreaction. So a polling company tweeted a sentence. I doubt that 95% of this country is even aware of the polling company and could name it by name, much less are following their tweets. So how many people did that tweet push away? And how many people do name calling and angry threads like this push away? How many people were just insulted who were/are reading along?

Vote fraud is a real concern and is not mere conspiracy. It's fact. Not sure what PPP is up to but if you don't think the establishment would sink to stealing an election from Paul then I don't know what to say (and assume you missed the lost ballot boxes in NH in 2008 later found with slashes in the sides). They were (are) willing to see thousands die in wars based on lies but they won't rig an election with their electronic machines? Really? Educating people on vote fraud doesn't a nutjob make nor does it have to mean anything more than that. It is the sort of activity that should be done by citizen activists of all stripes forming coalitions imo (and perhaps the conversation would have gone to discussing solutions if not for the name calling). However, jumping down someone's throat for stating the obvious because you don't like the way it looks pushes people away. This type of anger, of bitterness is the major reason I left these boards a couple years ago and know others did the same. It spreads like a virus, it pushes people away and does not entice those lurking who don't like being attacked or called names to join or post. There are way too few RP supporters. We need more, not less. We get upset over the repub party pushing us out of its "big tent" because of our views and look at what happens here. And we should be able to stand together without calling each other names like nutjobs. That doesn't help anything.

 

[iamse7en]

It's true each state has been fraudulent. This is documented. Hell, Iowa GOP gave up because they don't know what's going on with several precincts. The others have dead people voting... And this is just the tip of the iceberg. But I agree with the sentiment that a tweet like this makes us conspiracy wacks and sore losers... but can you blame us?

 

[Schiff_FTW]

Surely the whole freedom movement - indeed the very concept of freedom - is tarnished beyond repair by this one anonymous person sending a message to some polling company.

 

[LawnWake]

Surely the whole freedom movement - indeed the very concept of freedom - is tarnished beyond repair by this one anonymous person sending a message to some polling company.

Yeah, pretty much. People aren't annoyed with the fact that this is one of many instances of this happening and no one has ever done that before. No, people are tearing their hair out in anger because of that one tweet, not because the tweets represents a common problem we have to deal with.

 

[KingNothing]

True or not, it will make us look like like angry conspiracy theorists and doing that to major polling company ISN'T helping us. You've essentially pestered them by sending that email and made Ron and his supporters look bad.

It's funny how RP supporters keep talking about blowback, but are oblivious to it when they're causing it.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to LawnWake again

 

[KingNothing]

Yeah, pretty much. People aren't annoyed with the fact that this is one of many instances of this happening and no one has ever done that before. No, people are tearing their hair out in anger because of that one tweet, not because the tweets represents a common problem we have to deal with.

Honestly, I used to believe the polls were rigged. I used to believe companies put out polls to push voters in a certain direction. To some extent, I believe that still does happen. Along those lines, I used to believe that every member of the media was working to tarnish the good name of Ron Paul. Then I started listening to what they say and what they do to other candidates. For the most part, they do nothing but try to rip apart every candidate who has any sort of weakness, perceived or otherwise. That's not to say that certain members of the pundit class aren't actively trying to destroy Paul - they certainly are. But even then, you've got to accurately account for their reasoning. Is it a globalist plot by the joooos to keep the freedom movement in check? No. Is it the party establishment working through their sycophantic mouth-pieces in the media who would do anything to gain access to those in authority positions that they admire? I think so. They don't want to see their applecart of graft and kickbacks upset, and they also are fearful -legitimately, and without malice- that too great a change to domestic and foreign policy would be a detriment to the current order of things and the welfare of all Americans.

So, do I believe there's a conspiracy taking place? In the sense that a conspiracy could be defined by any group of people working covertly on something, yes. In the sense that there's a Smoking Man or a secret cabal or a cult-like faction of Grovers or Masons chanting as they worship the sun god or lucifer.... no, that's silly. ---Yes, I've seen the video of Alex Jones at the Grove--- And we need to be careful to keep a foot in reality, rooted in game theory and logic and not fall into the occult and secret societies. We do ourselves no favors when we denounce as a zionist-jooo-scumbag-mason-globalist-slime anyone who has an unkind word to say about the movement or Paul.

This is a really important topic in many ways, and not the least of which is the proper understanding of what we're up against and how to handle it effectively.

 

[KingNothing]

You know, so does the condescending, holier than thou, all knowing, judgmental quotient that treats anyone with different points of views as "nutjobs". Sorry but that's what I see happening in this thread and not just you.

Sorry, I shouldn't have been such a douchenozzle.

Take a look at Twitter, though. Watch what happens whenever anyone tweets something that is even a little bit anti-Paul. Throw an "@" before the handle of the tweeter and see what Paul supporters are saying to them. It's ALWAYS vile, repugnant garbage. There's a percentage of Paul supporters who do immense damage to the movement and its hard to sit back and watch them do the same awful things time and time again. It isn't getting us anywhere. It isn't doing anything but alienating potential supporters, and it is personalizing the attacks and dehumanizing those who might just disagree with us on an issue or two. Paul would never endorse that sort of behavior. We should be trying to reach agreements and build a consensus, and at the very least offer rational explanations to justify our opinions.

That, often times, is not what I see happening.

 

[KingNothing]

You know, so does the condescending, holier than thou, all knowing, judgmental quotient that treats anyone with different points of views as "nutjobs". Sorry but that's what I see happening in this thread and not just you.

Sorry, I shouldn't have been such a douchenozzle.

Take a look at Twitter, though. Watch what happens whenever anyone tweets something that is even a little bit anti-Paul. Throw an "@" before the handle of the tweeter and see what Paul supporters are saying to them. It's ALWAYS vile, repugnant garbage. There's a percentage of Paul supporters who do immense damage to the movement and its hard to sit back and watch them do the same awful things time and time again. It isn't getting us anywhere. It isn't doing anything but alienating potential supporters, and it is personalizing the attacks and dehumanizing those who might just disagree with us on an issue or two. Paul would never endorse that sort of behavior. We should be trying to reach agreements and build a consensus, and at the very least offer rational explanations to justify our opinions.

That, often times, is not what I see happening.

 

[bcreps85]

Regardless of whether or not the outcomes of these elections so far would have changed, there is a lot of evidence of vote fraud. The fact that some people think it should be taken lightly is frightening, though I suspect it is mostly because they simply don't want the campaign labeled as conspiracy theorists.

Iowa - Ballots were tallied in a "secret location" because of a supposed threat from Occupy. It took a very long time to get the final results and 8 precincts ended up missing, and it is reported that many of those were college areas. Anybody with a brain realizes that the potential for vote fraud is huge here. Then of course there was the last-minute rule change that allowed voters to vote without ID's...for all we know, other campaigns could have been bussing people in, ala Obama.

NH - Dead people voting.

SC - Dead people voting. Electronic machines arriving without the zero tape, meaning they *could* have come preloaded with votes. People not being allowed to watch the tallies take place. Reports of inconsistencies in some counties where everyone knows everyone, made pacts to vote for Ron Paul with friends/churches/etc and had a clear majority, that went to other candidates once the electronic votes were tallied. Easily tampered with electronic voting machines.

Judging the effects of possible vote fraud is difficult, but to say that it isn't happening and there is no cause for alarm is disengenuous.

 

[KingNothing]

Judging the effects of possible vote fraud is difficult, but to say that it isn't happening and there is no cause for alarm is disengenuous.

No one said that voting irregularities and potential fraud hasn't occurred. What has happened may very well have been deliberate and orchestrated by the party or certain campaigns. That the results were not really influenced though, makes that point insignificant though. Every candidate does everything in his power to prevent those irregularities from happening. They will occur, but checks and balances in place should prevent them from happening on a wide enough scale to be significant.