PPP Poll - only 8% of those polled were between age 18 to 29

Hey don't attack me. :( I'm going to go vote... My friend from New Hampshire who goes to school with me here in Boston, went all the way back home just to vote... I think she voted for Romney, although I tried to dissuade her last minute before she went to vote, but I don't know who she voted for... There is some truth behind it though, I know someone who isn't registered to vote, but is a huge Ron Paul supporter he said he doesn't want to do jury duty... -_-
 
GunnyFreedom said:
LOL I got negrepped by a young person for saying that. Called me 'offensive.' Then came Iowa and young people didn't vote. Then came NH and young people didn't vote. So I went back and called him on it and he still thinks I'm the problem. :rolleyes:

It's people who can't face reality that's the problem. Keep putting 80% effort into a demo that can't get off the couch long enough to vote, and we are squandering resources with which we could direct elsewhere and maybe even win.

Sorry to be so...offensive... ;)
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Well, we either put the resources into getting people who like us to vote, or getting voters who don't like us to like us.

Both are difficult.

Pulling people out of their houses to go vote is at least simple.

How exactly do you sell "R[evol]ution" to a 75+ year old woman who just wants the checks to keep coming? The answer is not "more superbrochures".

Our votes come from 18-29 year old males. If we were unable to indentify them, and get them out to vote, that was our fault. That demo did vote better in Iowa and NH this time.
 
There is really no excuse not to vote. I am 29 y/o and vote absentee in EVERY election:special, municipal, primary, and general.
 
You must add the 18-29 year olds RP captured 4 years ago to this years total. Make the sample 18-33 and you're closer to the actual numbers.
 
parocks said:
Well, we either put the resources into getting people who like us to vote, or getting voters who don't like us to like us.

Both are difficult.

Pulling people out of their houses to go vote is at least simple.

How exactly do you sell "R[evol]ution" to a 75+ year old woman who just wants the checks to keep coming? The answer is not "more superbrochures".
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"Ron Paul is the only candidate who has produced a detailed plan to keep Social Security funded for the next 40 years."

Our votes come from 18-29 year old males. If we were unable to indentify them, and get them out to vote, that was our fault. That demo did vote better in Iowa and NH this time.
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It's been 2 points better, sure. The voters are ID'd just like we ID all the demographics. About the only way to get them to vote in numbers is go around with big vans and load them up and physically carry them to the polls and back home.
 
Lafayette said:
Run, walk, ride a bike, skate board, pogo stick, give each other piggy back rides. Get there FFS!
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Piggy back rides for Paul! Pogo sticking for Paul! This sounds awesome hahaha!

Maybe have a pledge drive...a dime per pogo with the proceeds going to a Paul superpac. Paul bake sales.

Hmmm...Ron Paul special brownie bake sales!

For 2 a.m. local time, I'm on a roll right now.
 
libertythor said:
There is really no excuse not to vote. I am 29 y/o and vote absentee in EVERY election:special, municipal, primary, and general.
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I disagree. If there's no one worth voting for, I don't dignify the system by voting and adding to the "voter turnout" that is used to justify the system. I think we would get change faster if people made candidates "earn" their vote rather than holding their nose and voting for someone.
 
Where can I locate the following primary info?

2008 voter turnout demographic for iowa and NH and SC
Compare to
2012 voter turnout demographic for Iowa and NH

So we can project any extra % that can be garnered for RP in SC
 
This is exactly why I have been saying that seniors are the key to winning gop primaries. The young vote gives you the edge if you have the base behind you ALREADY. This is why Obama was able to edge out Hillary and then McCain...he pulled in the young who turned out in higher proportions and the blacks turned out more so then normal...indies happened to swing towards him because of the wars and wanting "change." BUT again Obama in the general had the extra voters to put him over the top in swing states that turned blue....

Ron doesn't have the gop base behind him: The GOP base are the seniors and evangelicals...at best he has 10% of the seniors and roughly 20% evangelicals...let's break it down:

If the GOP BASE is 100 voters and the breakdown of the vote is:

Youth Voters = 15
Young adults voters= 16
Middle aged voters = 42
Senior voters= 26

If Ron gets 50% of youth= 7.5% and 10% of Seniors=2.6. He is at 10.1%. If Romney gets 0% of youth but gets 40% of seniors=10.4% HE wins. Even if Ron get 100% of youth and 100% of young adults he gets 31%. Romney could still get 50% of middle aged and 50% of seniors=34% he still wins. The remainers going to split among the other two candidates Newt and Santorum.

It's that simple. Ron simply doesn't appeal to the gop base and that is why he is not going to win a primary, caucus maybe. Therefore, he cannot get the nomination... RON will not be the GOP nominee. The campaign is fooling YOU. They know they are just running to get the message out...if they were serious about winning the nomination they would appeal to the base of the GOP, they don't, they really don't even try...why are they holding rallies at the Universities when hey should be at Elks clubs, retirement homes, Veterans of Foregin wars buildings, etc...

ROn is trying to change the GOP and now I understand why they ask him about a 3rd party run...he is better off running third party. If Ron is to change the GOP he has to change the minds of seniors and evangelicals BOTH groups are STUBBORN and DON'T want to change they think they are right. The evangelicals are zealots and nuts and the seniors are stilling living in the good old 50s...they have lost touch with reality...they are LOST! The GOP is also LOST...
 
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thehungarian said:
I curse young people.
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Don't be too hard on them. Its not like they are Boomers who don't do their homework and vote for the establishment canidate over and over again. At least young people are not voting against Paul en mass like Boomers are. :p
 
opinionatedfool said:
PPP has been quite accurate on everyone else, but they under polled rp by 4 or 5 % each in IA and NH.
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They were only off by 1% for him in Iowa.

Anyhow, PPP is generally accurate on turnout, but IIRC they underestimate youth enthusiasm so to speak. Paul supporting youth and indies come out to vote, Romney/Santorum/etc youth and indies not so much.

For example, in Iowa, the youth and indies didn't have very good turnout, but they voted for Ron by something like +20% over what the polls said they would. Similar situation in New Hampshire, where we beat out Romney in indie support (despite the polls putting Romney somewhat ahead) and we overwhelmingly crushed Romney and Huntsman in youth support (despite the polls showing them to be pretty close to us).

Thus, its generally safe to assume we'll outperform our polling numbers slightly. Not by a lot, but by a fair amount.

First place is basically impossible. Second is an incredible longshot (and it would probably rely on Romney winning, which would be worse for us than a third place with Gingrich winning IMO). Third we'll very likely get if things work out well.
 
all i want is 20% or higher and i would love to see a shocker from the youth of sc and make it 25% or higher today. I will even settle for a 1st place finish or 2nd or 3rd!!
 
No matter what , I want newt to come out ahead of Romney... and kill Romneys "Inevitable" story line in the news.
 
Nah. Looks like PPP got it wrong. 8% of young people voting was wrong...only 6% 0-29 voted. Ugh. We are not going to change the priorities of young people. We need a change of plans or we are going to have to wait till all these young people get older and get their priorities straight.
 
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