They won't let Ron win. These boys play hardball. We all have to deal with it.
Everyone has heard Ron's message. The next best thing he can do is get this country on the right track by disrupting the left/right paradigm.
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They won't let Ron win. These boys play hardball. We all have to deal with it.
Everyone has heard Ron's message. The next best thing he can do is get this country on the right track by disrupting the left/right paradigm.
Another fun fact. In SC in 2008 we had 16k votes. In MN we had 10k.
So this time SC gives us 78k. What will MN give this time? Last time 14k would have given us 2nd. Yes, under 0.3% of the population.
Don't give up, people. The seeds of liberty are sprouting.
Ask questions like: What really is the role of the government? How would we feel if Iran had 40 military bases in Canada and Mexico? Lots of others, too... it just makes people think.
Press on, and truth will always rise to the top.
Ask questions like: What really is the role of the government? How would we feel if Iran had 40 military bases in Canada and Mexico? Lots of others, too... it just makes people think.
Press on, and truth will always rise to the top.
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Very good point. However, i would have hoped we were a strong second to Newt up there.
Will getting Jesse V to try and draw out indy votes for Paul help?
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Jesse Ventura will NOT help Paul in Minnesota. He is very unpopular here now.
SovereignMN, can you give us a feel for how we are in MN now vs 2008 (ads, signs, etc)? Was there any visible sign that we would do so well in 2008?
I feel like we should regroup and gear up for a 3rd party run.. I like our chances against Obama either way
Ron would not be elected president as a 3rd party candidate. However it is a noble cause worth supporting.
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If Paul does not win the nomination, running 3rd party will damage any chance libertarian candidate(s) will have running for the 2016 GOP nomination.
I like our chances more during the general electiOn than with te GOP!
That's why we should form our own party.. GOP is dying anyways and we shouldn't be a part of this corrupt organization.
So they might get .25% instead of .5%
Be realistic. Ron has more than 20x's the support of any candidate the LP might run. He could be a catalyst for something big.
If by some miracle he could win the GOP nomination his chances in the general would be rather good.
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His Super PAC, Winning Our Future, is building a shadow campaign to have the formal organization in place, and they have apparently started hiring in Minnesota.
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I don't. In 2008 the national exit polls show 39% Dem, 32% Rep, 29% Ind. Roughly 90% of Dems and Rep voted for their respective nominee, Indys went 52/44 for Obama. If Paul runs 3rd party, I would say that 90% of those Dems would still vote for Obama, he may pick up some Independents if he is shown to be viable. And even though we like to think all of the Paul supporters are on the NOBP bandwagon, polls recently have shown it to be about 40% of Paul's support, which knocks the GOP support from 90 to around 85%.
It would take a herculean effort, something that is unprecedented in modern politics for Paul to win as a third party candidate. And you think he is marginalized now in te GOP race? Just wait to see what happens if he runs as an Independent. My guess is that he would not even be invited to the debates.
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Problem is Ron's momentum is all but washed up right now and MSM couldn't give a shit about him at this point. It's all a matter of hoping that people will just wake up and turn out, in order to swing thing a bit, but time is running out. His message is out there, if people can't or won't grasp it, what can you do? As someone else said, these things can take decades, people. It takes a long sometimes, for people to wake up and listen, and they may have to learn the hard way (ww3 and economic disaster). Like the Samson story Ron talked about and how the people wanted a king. After Samson told them the danger of it, God told Samson to let them have it then. They want it so bad, let em learn the hard way. Whether you 'believe' or not, that illustration is logical and sensible.
Sadly, SC was a huge pot hole for the campaign. It's unreal how 1 lousy debate for Ron, and Newt attacking a moderator changed everything
It's true, people go with the hot hand, and it's Newt right now. I'm sure if you polled him anywhere, he would be over 30%, soft support or not.
And yea, i wouldn't mind him running 3rd party, mainly because id like to see the GOP writhe in pain over it, and bring their sorry asses down with us so Obama can win, and Rand will run in 2016, who has grown on me more than ever in recent months after listening to him speak and studying his career and character more in depth. The GOP has f'd Ron for months, and id love seeing him go out with a big FU into retirement and ruining their chances of winning against Obama.
However, Ron won't do that, because Rand would be blackballed from the party if that happens and Ron wouldn't wanna do that to him. Rand would be expected to vote/support the nominee and if Ron goes third party, anyone named Paul will be getting dumped on horribly for 4 years and it would make it that much harder for Rand to run for potus with the party shitting all over him during a campaign for what his father did 4 years before.
You guys need to stop this 'gingrich has no money' thing either. You guys do realize he is an illuminist poster boy, right? With ties to many elitists with A LOT OF MONEY. Addleson is just one of many. If Newt runs low, he calls them up, gets a refill to his PACs and boom, he's back in business. So yea, Newt isn't going anywhere, believe me. However, i agree about Santorum, he is the last blocker for Ron, and won't be going anywhere for a while either. Hell, his moneybombs are better than Ron's right now, which is quite embarrassing. He is siphoning a good chunk of votes from Ron, but only staying in for blocking purposes, while jockeying to get a spot in Newt or Mitt's cabinet.
Sadly, SC was a huge pot hole for the campaign. It's unreal how 1 lousy debate for Ron, and Newt attacking a moderator changed everything
It's true, people go with the hot hand, and it's Newt right now. I'm sure if you polled him anywhere, he would be over 30%, soft support or not.
And yea, i wouldn't mind him running 3rd party, mainly because id like to see the GOP writhe in pain over it, and bring their sorry asses down with us so Obama can win, and Rand will run in 2016, who has grown on me more than ever in recent months after listening to him speak and studying his career and character more in depth. The GOP has f'd Ron for months, and id love seeing him go out with a big FU into retirement and ruining their chances of winning against Obama.
However, Ron won't do that, because Rand would be blackballed from the party if that happens and Ron wouldn't wanna do that to him. Rand would be expected to vote/support the nominee and if Ron goes third party, anyone named Paul will be getting dumped on horribly for 4 years and it would make it that much harder for Rand to run for potus with the party shitting all over him during a campaign for what his father did 4 years before.
You guys need to stop this 'gingrich has no money' thing either. You guys do realize he is an illuminist poster boy, right? With ties to many elitists with A LOT OF MONEY. Addleson is just one of many. If Newt runs low, he calls them up, gets a refill to his PACs and boom, he's back in business. So yea, Newt isn't going anywhere, believe me. However, i agree about Santorum, he is the last blocker for Ron, and won't be going anywhere for a while either. Hell, his moneybombs are better than Ron's right now, which is quite embarrassing. He is siphoning a good chunk of votes from Ron, but only staying in for blocking purposes, while jockeying to get a spot in Newt or Mitt's cabinet.
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Wow,
Kind of embarassing to see Ron polling so low in my state, very surprising.
However I think it's more just a symptom of the nation as a whole with all these people who go...
"Hmmmm, uhh Gingrich I guess"
it frustrates me that these people go out and vote based on the nonsense they see on tv.
Anyway.
There is a good deal of Ron Paul support here, more than that poll would indicate.
I feel like with a good GOTV effort we could move up to a close second.
What's the most helpful thing I can do right now?
Kind of embarassing to see Ron polling so low in my state, very surprising.
However I think it's more just a symptom of the nation as a whole with all these people who go...
"Hmmmm, uhh Gingrich I guess"
it frustrates me that these people go out and vote based on the nonsense they see on tv.
Anyway.
There is a good deal of Ron Paul support here, more than that poll would indicate.
I feel like with a good GOTV effort we could move up to a close second.
What's the most helpful thing I can do right now?
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im telling yaz.. we need to stomp newt in the nuts before he gains anymore momentum. we cannot let this guy be anti-romney and i hope ron paul campaign attacks newt in such a way that he cant explain his way out of it with bullshit.
but attacking newt is a double edge sword. attacking newt exposes him (which doesnt seem to work very well atm). attacking newt also makes people feel that he is important.
if romney and ron really has an uneasy ceasefire this whole election, i think they must forcus their fire on newt and destroy him.
but attacking newt is a double edge sword. attacking newt exposes him (which doesnt seem to work very well atm). attacking newt also makes people feel that he is important.
if romney and ron really has an uneasy ceasefire this whole election, i think they must forcus their fire on newt and destroy him.
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It confirms my belief that Nevada is the do or die/Waterloo/Stalingrad-state for Dr. Paul. If he doesn't have any momentum going into the crucial day of february 7th he will have no chances whatsoever to win any states before or after supertuesday. Thats why RP-supporters must do their Hajj to cities like Las Vegas, Reno and Carson City while the Superpacs and campaign bombard the airwaves and TV-networks with Ads such as Compassion/The one who can beat Obama and Serial hypocracy. Veni, Vedi, Vici.
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i have stocked up with enough water, gasoline, and food to last 3 months in the event Obama is still in office or if Newt somehow wins the election.
the universities/colleges in MN is our only hope to winning and i read that those college students are much more reliable when it involves voting.
the universities/colleges in MN is our only hope to winning and i read that those college students are much more reliable when it involves voting.
Problem is Ron's momentum is all but washed up right now and MSM couldn't give a shit about him at this point. It's all a matter of hoping that people will just wake up and turn out, in order to swing thing a bit, but time is running out. His message is out there, if people can't or won't grasp it, what can you do? As someone else said, these things can decades, people. It takes a long sometimes, for people to wake up and listen, and they may have to learn the hard way (ww3 and economic disaster). Like the Samson story Ron talked about and how the people wanted a king. After Samson told them the danger of it, God told Samson to let them have it then. They want it so bad, let em learn the hard way. Whether you 'believe' or not, that illustration is logical and sensible.
Sadly, SC was a huge pot hole for the campaign. It's unreal how 1 lousy debate for Ron, and Newt attacking a moderator changed everything
It's true, people go with the hot hand, and it's Newt right now. I'm sure if you polled him anywhere, he would be over 30%, soft support or not.
And yea, i wouldn't mind him running 3rd party, mainly because id like to see the GOP writhe in pain over it, and bring their sorry asses down with us so Obama can win, and Rand will run in 2016, who has grown on me more than ever in recent months after listening to him speak and studying his career and character more in depth. The GOP has f'd Ron for month, and id love seeing him go out with a big FU into retirement and ruining their chances of winning against Obama.
However, Ron won't do that, because Rand would be blackballed from the party if that happens and Ron wouldn't wanna do that to him. Rand would be expected to vote/support the nominee and if Ron goes third party, anyone named Paul will be getting dumped on horribly for 4 years and it would make it that much harder for Rand to run for potus with the party shitting all over him during a campaign for what his father did 4 years before.
You guys need to stop this 'gingrich has no money' thing either. You guys do realize he is an illuminist poster boy, right? With ties to many elitists with A LOT OF MONEY. Addleson is just one of many. If Newt runs low, he calls them up, gets a refill to his PACs and boom, he's back in business. So yea, Newt isn't going anywhere, believe me.
I wonder if Ron ran 3rd party and did rather well say over 20% of the vote, would it pave the way for a Rand 3rd party run where Rand could improve on those numbers even more.
I've also wondered about something really unconventional. Could Ron get on the ballot in the general election as a Republican without party support? If he met the ballot requirements what prevents it?
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