Post-Nov 30 Press Reporting - NO NEGATIVES AT ALL

[Knightskye]

I will not donate another dime to this effort until the official campaign either formally accepts the offer from Glenn Beck or formally announces an acceptable explanation for not doing so. That is millions of dollars worth of FREE exposure to a targeted audience of mostly conservative viewers.

Well, while Ron answered questions at the Robert Taft Club (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYSeHMEjRy0), he said: "My guess, in the next several weeks, I'll probably go on his show."

But I agree with you; I'd like to know when.

 

[LibertyEagle]

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[LibertyEagle]

So did November 5th fail as well? We only raised 4.3 million when the goal was 10 million.

No, of course not. That does not change the fact that it is foolish to promise something that is beyond your reach. It is much better to promise something that you can attain and then vastly go beyond that. We got away with it on 11/5, because we set a record. Why is this so hard for you guys to understand?

No one is saying that we should not reach for the stars. That is what this campaign is all about, after all. But the adage still remains. UNDER promise and OVER deliver. In fact, blow your promise, clean out of the water if you can.

 

[JenaS62]

I read here frequently and post here occassionally and I am just going to write what I'm thinking at this very moment. This whole thread reads like it comes straight out of a junior high school class officer campaign. If other campaigns read this forum - I have to tell you that it's embarrasing that this is going on. Have you ever heard of divide and conquer?

 

[justinc.1089]

No, of course not. That does not change the fact that it is foolish to promise something that is beyond your reach. It is much better to promise something that you can attain and then vastly go beyond that. We got away with it on 11/5, because we set a record. Why is this so hard for you guys to understand?

No one is saying that we should not reach for the stars. That is what this campaign is all about, after all. But the adage still remains. UNDER promise and OVER deliver. In fact, blow your promise, clean out of the water if you can.

Maybe in business or something, but not in promoting and generating media attention for a presidential campaign. If we promise a big goal it gets more media attention. Thats simple to understand.

Then when we bring in a big number of cash, the media reports on that. But in the hype about that they forget about the original goal. And if we got a big amount of cash it doesn't matter that some crazy goal wasn't met anyway.

You're really worrying too much. The 30th had like no time to be promoted. The only real purpose behind it was to stop any fundraising lag or slack between then and the 16th. The campaign was afraid of going that long without a lot of money coming in, so the 30th was decided to have a fundraising drive to ensure the money going in didn't slow down.

We got a huge amount to be donated, so it was a success.

 

[KewlRonduderules]

It is Marketing 101 that you under promise and over deliver. Claiming that we will bring in over 2 million dollars yesterday, served no purpose other than making us look foolish.

Boasting never gets anything done. Working smart and hard, does.

I have to agree with Liberty Eagle somewhat. I think we opened ourselves to potential damage by suggesting the $12 million dollar mark but I don't think it was necessarily foolish. Perhaps a more appropriate term would be to use- 'inexperienced'. Not to offend anyone, but most of us are first timers in all of this.

I can under wanting to "shoot for the stars" but you run the risk of attacks. It is better to come up with a realistic number (playing it safe). The media is not on our side. They can use this against us.

Don't get me wrong. $500K is a great number. That's pretty good for short notice but it can be easily manipulated to suit the interests of the mainstream press. In my opinion, it is not worth the risk. Better to underestimate than overestimate.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Maybe in business or something, but not in promoting and generating media attention for a presidential campaign. If we promise a big goal it gets more media attention. Thats simple to understand.

Then when we bring in a big number of cash, the media reports on that. But in the hype about that they forget about the original goal. And if we got a big amount of cash it doesn't matter that some crazy goal wasn't met anyway.

.... and you're speaking from what experience or credentials?

It is true that if we promise a big goal, it gets more media attention. It's also true that if we fail to achieve the "big goal", we will likewise get more media attention for not attaining it. The sword bites both ways.

One can get a lot of attention by yelling FIRE in a movie theatre too. I wouldn't however advise it as a good course of action. Would you?

 

[LibertyEagle]

I read here frequently and post here occassionally and I am just going to write what I'm thinking at this very moment. This whole thread reads like it comes straight out of a junior high school class officer campaign. If other campaigns read this forum - I have to tell you that it's embarrasing that this is going on. Have you ever heard of divide and conquer?

That may be so, but it would be beneficial if we decided a few things now, so that we don't repeat the same mistakes, over and over again.

The fundraising has been stupendous. I don't however think that means that we can't learn a few things from some of the mistakes made, and get even better in the future.

 

[jrich4rpaul]

We outraised Giuliani's 3rd Q total on the 30th. Seeing how the day was based on Rudy's Reading List, it was a success.

 

[szczebrzeszyn]

I call BS. I thank Trevor for being the first person to put up the 11/5 web site, but he was not the only one who offered. He was just the first person to do it. Let us also not forget that the idea for this fundraiser was not Trevor's at all.

The V fundraiser was a resounding success, but it was not due to the actions of one man.... even the other man who actually came up with the whole idea. It was a success because of the whole grassroots. Everything that each of you did. All the wonderful videos, Peter Schiff sending out the request to his newsletter subscribers, Adam Curry pitching it for days on end to his listeners, the Ron Paul girl, the articles written by Jennifer Reynolds and so many others, DJLoti and Ron Paul Radio, all the people who spent hours on end individually mailing notices to Ron Paul's Myspace friends and all the Meetup members and on and on. Not to mention the fact that many of you were selling your own blood, selling your possessions on Ebay, putting yourself in debt on your credit cards, foregoing vacations, etc. YOU are the reason it was successful.

This should be abundantly clear by looking at how the very same type of fundraisers attempted by other campaigns, even to the extent of practically copying Trevor's text on the website, have failed dismally. If all it took was putting up a website, the other campaigns would have succeeded at their 1 day fundraisers too. They keep trying to copy us, but they just don't get it. We haven't been successful because of any ONE of us. We have been successful because we all have a fire in our bellies to regain our liberty and our country. As many of you say frequently, they just don't understand, that it's THE MESSAGE. It's something the others do not have. Have we forgotten too?

It is a big mistake to credit the success of the fundraising to one person. Yes, give credit where credit is due, but to say it was a success from one man is not only a lie, but it does a huge disservice to the entire grassroots movement and the sacrifices made by so many people.

I might have missed it, but I don't recall any vote to elect Trevor as the representative of the grassroots.

My thoughts exactly... Trevor did a great job, but I don't understand why people try to address all the success to his tiny amateur website. I stated before, that it would be NOTHING without all the people who promoted it and who donated that day. It does not really matter who did the website. It could have been any other person. I think it's rather obvious, but some people still repeat the 'Trevor success' like a mantra... It was the Grassroots success!