Polls Close in WI: Results here

[AdamT]

Yes, because rep is what defines a person. I'm an atheist, so my rep is red on this forum. I also vehemently support Ron Paul. I don't live in WI, but I recognize a crook when I see one, and Gov Walker is one. Unions are not the problem, either economically or socially. End of story.

I lived in Madison for 5 years, and WI most of my life. And I can tell you "rabid" is about as good a definition as any.

 

[AGRP]

Do you live in WI? You're red -rep is telling.

How were they illegal? The illegal unconstitutional public unions have destroyed my state. You just want to keep your taxpayer money sucking government jobs so people can continuously be dependent on the state for survival.

public unions are not unions, they are a wing of the government. Voluntary unions are perfectly acceptable.

Could you argue that point without acting like a douchebag, jumping on anyone who may or may not disagree with you?

I lived in Madison for 5 years, and WI most of my life. And I can tell you "rabid" is about as good a definition as any.

http://www.philz-corner.com/how-shake-off-internet-trolls/

 

[reillym]

How were they illegal? The illegal unconstitutional public unions have destroyed my state. You just want to keep your taxpayer money sucking government jobs so people can continuously be dependent on the state for survival.

Gov. Walker considered placing people in the union protests to incite violence.
http://bloggingblue.com/2011/02/24/...akers-at-rallies-supporting-public-employees/
http://ethicsbob.com/2011/02/24/wis...t-only-because-it-might-backfire-politically/

He also circumvented legislative law with his anti-union bill.

 

[reillym]

public unions are not unions, they are a wing of the government. Voluntary unions are perfectly acceptable.

How exactly are public unions a wing of the government?

 

[reillym]

Could you argue that point without acting like a douchebag, jumping on anyone who may or may not disagree with you?

How did I jump on anyone? He brought up my reputation for no reason other than to incite a personal attack.

 

[klamath]

Looks like the democrats are winning 3 out of 5.

 

[reillym]

http://www.philz-corner.com/how-shake-off-internet-trolls/

Standard RPF stuff, anyone who disagrees is a "troll". How nice.

 

[libertybrewcity]

 

[libertybrewcity]

I was hoping to only lose 2 seats and then gain one in the election next week. 3 it might be.

Although Hopper is coming back. Darling and Kapanke were lucky to even have those seats. Heavily democratic areas. If Pasch wins she will be redistricted out of the seat anyways because they moved her precinct.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

The weakening of unions in america over the past 30 years has followed the decline of middle class power and income. Just so everyone knows.

There has been no weakening of the Middle Class as far as compensation has been concerned. The only difference is that a much larger part of that compensation goes to benefits now than before.

And I posted the numbers not long ago. Teaching pays more than most middle class jobs.

These are government union employees, not private sector. When an employee and employer decide how much to pay the employee, the employer will decide how much he is willing to offer based on how much revenue he expects to the employee to make him. If the number is $20 dollars an hour, the employer may then decide that he is willing to pay the employee no more than $19.95 an hour, as any more than that would likely be unprofitable. None the less, he would like to pay the employee the least amount possible in order to make the greatest profit. The employee will also have a number in mind, and would generally like to make the most money possible. Eventually, if the potential employee comes to an agreement with the employer, they will agree to whatever number that both expect to be mutally beneficial.

The employer bases how much he pays someone based on what he expects to be profitable. Some people believe that the employee will be exploited by the employer and paid below his potential value, and thus the employees need to form unions to protect themselves from "exploitation".

However, this does not apply to government. The government has no profit motive and no need to increase profits. There is no incentive for the government to under pay their employees. The employees, however, still want to make the most possible in most cases. So there is still upward pressure on wages from the employees, but no downward pressure on wages from the employer. That explains why government workers are generally paid so much more than their private counterparts.

There is no need for government employees to unionize. All they are doing is leeching of the rest of the middle class.

 

[Zatch]

Standard RPF stuff, anyone who disagrees is a "troll". How nice.

Using terms such as "Teabagger" is trolling. You can disagree and be civil.

 

[reillym]

There has been no weakening of the Middle Class as far as compensation has been concerned. The only difference is that a much larger part of that compensation goes to benefits now than before.

And I posted the numbers not long ago. Teaching pays more than most middle class jobs.

These are government union employees, not private sector. When an employee and employer decide how much to pay the employee, the employer will decide how much he is willing to offer based on how much revenue he expects to the employee to make him. If the number is $20 dollars an hour, the employer may then decide that he is willing to pay the employee no more than $19.95 an hour, as any more than that would likely be unprofitable. None the less, he would like to pay the employee the least amount possible in order to make the greatest profit. The employee will also have a number in mind, and would generally like to make the most money possible. Eventually, if the potential employee comes to an agreement with the employer, they will agree to whatever number that both expect to be mutally beneficial.

The employer bases how much he pays someone based on what he expects to be profitable. Some people believe that the employee will be exploited by the employer and paid below his potential value, and thus the employees need to form unions to protect themselves from "exploitation".

However, this does not apply to government. The government has no profit motive and no need to increase profits. There is no incentive for the government to under pay their employees. The employees, however, still want to make the most possible in most cases. So there is still upward pressure on wages from the employees, but no downward pressure on wages from the employer. That explains why government workers are generally paid so much more than their private counterparts.

There is no need for government employees to unionize. All they are doing is leeching of the rest of the middle class.

Of course INCOME will rise, it's called inflation. Problem is, the cost of living has been going up much faster. Are you trying to argue the middle class is better now than 40 years ago? REALLY? Honestly?

Public union members pay into their pensions much more than other employees. Tax payer money is not a part of it.
http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2...ntribute-nothing-to-public-employee-pensions/

 

[kahless]

How did I jump on anyone?

I hope you do realize you are posting to forum of the father of the tea party movement and are using a derogatory term teabagger to refer to some of his followers.

 

[reillym]

Ugh, I give up. Unions are not all bad people. Yeah, sometimes they overstep their bounds. But who doesn't? Gov. Walker is a crook, look it up. Just because he is republican doesn't mean he is good. He is a Koch Industries puppet for the super rich.

 

[reillym]

I hope you do realize you are posting to forum of the father of the tea party movement and are using a derogatory term teabagger to refer to some of his followers.

Eh, teabaggers != ron paul supporters IMO

 

[Agorism]

Update: With 79 percent in, Randy Hopper’s back in front by two points. Epic.

this

 

[kahless]

Eh, teabaggers != ron paul supporters IMO

Ron started the tea party movement and continues to have a large following of tea party supporters despite some groups having co-opted the movement.

 

[Zatch]

Eh, teabaggers != ron paul supporters IMO

Are you against Rand Paul? He created the Tea Party caucus in congress.

 

[libertybrewcity]

Actually taxpayers pay A TON into their pensions.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703408604576164290717724956.html

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Public union members pay into their pensions much more than other employees. Tax payer money is not a part of it.

I wonder how can Public employees contribute to their pensions......