RPIdeaMan08
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libertarian baptist
"As to the book called the bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions and a history of bad times and bad men." [Thomas Paine, writing to Andrew Dean August 15, 1806]
Why does agnostic and atheist always get grouped together?
You know, I don't mind a discussion on religion or the lack of it, but having this as your signature is not very wise. Lots of people view these forums and it is almost as if you want to run off any Christians that visit this forum. Let's focus on what we are trying to do which is to elect Ron Paul.
Damn, mormons aren't even listed as chrisitians. I might be an atheist, but isn't this a slam against Joseph Smith's flock?
It is important to get across the idea that this nation was NOT founded as a Christian nation. The United States is the first Secular nation in the history of the World, and our Constitution makes no reference to god.
It is important for people to know this. Our founding fathers were not Huckabee type Bible beaters that the Fundies has conned everyone into thinking they were.
The founders were Deists right? I know Jefferson believed in the philosophy of Christ, but not the Old Testament. So the whole, “this is a Christian nation, no this is a secular nation” argument is kind of ridiculous IMO. We are neither Secular nor Religious. We are a nation founded on the idea that the rights of man are absolute and endowed to us by the natural creator (whatever you owe that to be).
Thus, the founders struck a perfect balance between the two and avoided the pitfall that the French fell into by having the rights of man derive from the state (cause we all know how trustworthy the state is). So instead our founders put them somewhere where government hopefully couldn't touch them.
For that definition of secularism I would agree."This is a secular country" is a political statement. Secular simply means Government shouldn't be in the business of Religion.
You can either have Secular (Neutral) or preference to a particular religion. I'll take secular.
I'm confused... An atheist is someone who claims there is no God. Yes? Or am I wrong? This is a logical fallacy. Unless you were all knowing, which would sort of make YOU God, then you could not possibly rule out the existence of a supreme being. An agnostic I can perfectly understand, someone who claims they just don't know, but making an absolute claim that there is no God. This scares me more than religious nuts do.
Am I missing something here?
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