Poll: Rand Paul leads Hillary Clinton in state of Kentucky and gets 29% of black vote

[Brett85]

Curious. So i searched all forum threads regarding the CO poll.

Funny that I didn't see you post in any of them, except one. And that post was somewhat negative too.

Traditional Conservative: Colorado has taken a much sharper turn to the right than have states like Florida, Virginia, Ohio, etc. I'm not exactly sure why that is, although it may have been due to the new gun control laws. There was a lot of backlash from that. Colorado is a socially liberal state, but not pro gun control.

Several threads on the subject, and this was your only post. You're 'not exactly sure'....is that what you consider positive?

But you sure seem to keep a thread bumped with plenty of posts when there's a 'concern'...


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I didn't say I commented here about it. I posted about it on my Facebook page. [mod delete]

 

[Guitarzan]

I didn't say I commented here about it. I posted about it on my Facebook page. I guess in the future I'll just be super sure to give a super positive comment whenever a good poll comes out.

So now that you admit that you only post negative feeling towards Rand's aspirations, my real question to you is, why are you trying to undermine Rand Paul's probable presidential run?

 

[Brett85]

So now that you admit that you only post negative feeling towards Rand's aspirations, my real question to you is, why are you trying to undermine Rand Paul's probable presidential run?

I'm not, and I haven't just posted negative feelings. I've offered what I felt are constructive criticisms of some things Rand has done. I don't think it's smart politically for Rand to sound soft on core Republican issues like abortion and voter ID. That doesn't mean that I don't support him and don't like him better than the other candidates. [mod delete]

 

[Crashland]

I'm not, and I haven't just posted negative feelings. I've offered what I felt are constructive criticisms of some things Rand has done. I don't think it's smart politically for Rand to sound soft on core Republican issues like abortion and voter ID. That doesn't mean that I don't support him and don't like him better than the other candidates. [mod delete]

I'm actually pretty amazed you're still here after all the things Rand has done that you have made very well known that you don't like. But hey the fact that you are still here just goes to show that Rand is doing a very good job threading the needle. No one will be happy with everything he does

 

[Guitarzan]

I'm not, and I haven't just posted negative feelings. I've offered what I felt are constructive criticisms of some things Rand has done. I don't think it's smart politically for Rand to sound soft on core Republican issues like abortion and voter ID. That doesn't mean that I don't support him and don't like him better than the other candidates. You're just an agitator and trying to stir things up. Cut it out.

You seem to be 'super sure' to post hundreds of comments in the threads where there is a 'super concern' that he's approaching things incorrectly.

Yet, even in your own example such as the CO poll, which I just proved you wrong, you never post a positive comment whatsoever. In fact, I can't find ANY positive comments from you.

I'm not the agitator here. I'm 100% pro-Paul.

I'm trying to figure out if you're just the most worrisome, pessimistic person I've ever come across, or if it's purposeful and you're intentionally trying to undermine this movement.

It's an honest question...and I'm leaning towards the latter. What say you?

 

[Brett85]

You seem to be 'super sure' to post hundreds of comments in the threads where there is a 'super concern' that he's approaching things incorrectly.

That wasn't my intention. I intended to simply post one comment in the threads about abortion and voter ID simply to express my opinion, but then someone responds to my comment and I feel the need to respond, and then that person responds to my second comment, and I feel that I need to respond again, and then it just escalates. Maybe I should just not post in those controversial threads so things don't start spiraling out of control.

 

[jct74]

Indeed, I would think 29% is a huge amount.

It is. I checked the 2012 election results and Romney got 6% of the black vote, Obama 93%.

http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/all/president/#.U3gw8NJdXTo
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_12.html
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president/exit-polls


edit: actually the fact that Obama is black probably had a lot to do with that, so maybe it is not that big of a deal.

 

[Brett85]

I'm actually pretty amazed you're still here after all the things Rand has done that you have made very well known that you don't like. But hey the fact that you are still here just goes to show that Rand is doing a very good job threading the needle. No one will be happy with everything he does

I don't know who else I can support. I hate the neocons and the damage that our interventionist foreign policy has done to our country, and all the other candidates are terrible on foreign policy issues. Rand is the only candidate who at least wants to scale back the overseas intervention.

 

[Guitarzan]

I'm actually pretty amazed you're still here after all the things Rand has done that you have made very well known that you don't like. But hey the fact that you are still here just goes to show that Rand is doing a very good job threading the needle. No one will be happy with everything he does

You make a good point, and a point I've considered. I thought he might finally leave us.

How many times have I heard this guy say "I could never support Rand if he's not 100% pro-life", yet when Rand made the comments about how the country isn't ready for that, and that it would be a process of convincing people, he threw a tissy for days, but he's still here saying, "well, who else can I support".

So his bluff was called on that, too.

 

[Guitarzan]

That wasn't my intention. I intended to simply post one comment in the threads about abortion and voter ID simply to express my opinion, but then someone responds to my comment and I feel the need to respond, and then that person responds to my second comment, and I feel that I need to respond again, and then it just escalates. Maybe I should just not post in those controversial threads so things don't start spiraling out of control.

Now you're making some sense.

 

[specsaregood]

I'm not, and I haven't just posted negative feelings. I've offered what I felt are constructive criticisms of some things Rand has done. I don't think it's smart politically for Rand to sound soft on core Republican issues like abortion and voter ID. That doesn't mean that I don't support him and don't like him better than the other candidates. You're just an agitator and trying to stir things up. Cut it out.

Well at least you have changed your rhetoric and are no longer claiming Randal is against banning abortion and against voter ID laws. That's an improvement; [mod delete]

 

[jct74]

OK, here is the history of how blacks have voted for president through the decades.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/


So 29% actually is a huge number for a Republican, and the low numbers for Romney last election don't really seem to have much to do with Obama being black, the numbers have been in that range for a very long time.

 

[Crashland]

To TC's credit, I too would have expected/hoped for a better poll result for Rand in KY. It was a very large sample size too compared to most other state polls. At this point though I am not particularly concerned - I really don't think Kentucky will be a problem, imo

 

[Brett85]

To TC's credit, I too would have expected/hoped for a better poll result for Rand in KY.

You're just secretly trying to undermine Rand and the liberty movement by making those kinds of comments.

 

[Vanguard101]

I would have zero hope if he was losing in Kentucky

 

[Crashland]

You're just secretly trying to undermine Rand and the liberty movement by making those kinds of comments.

uh oh I'm exposed

 

[Guitarzan]

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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?451929-PPP-2016-GOP-Poll-North-Carolina-(May-14)

Stating a fact shouldn't be considered positive comment, but I am surprised that you brought up a positive fact.

a positive comment might sound something like this, "Rand does the best in the general election matchups here as well...he's catching on, I'm telling you!"


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[RickyJ]

Yes, there is a good amount of change that is predicted to be done for liberty if Rand gets elected. Of course, he already has done a good amount for liberty. Still, remember, not everything hinges on winning the presidency. Obviously Ron Paul did not win the presidency but it would be quite a stretch to say he didn't do anything for liberty.

As a note- please remember that Rand's Forum here is for activism & discussion in support of Rand Paul - anyone who wants to throw stones towards Rand shouldn't do it here. See the guidelines for full details (link in my sig). Thank you.

If you want to ban me, then ban me. I am going say what I want where I want.

 

[Brett85]

How many times have I heard this guy say "I could never support Rand if he's not 100% pro-life", yet when Rand made the comments about how the country isn't ready for that, and that it would be a process of convincing people, he threw a tissy for days, but he's still here saying, "well, who else can I support".

Well, who else can I support? I became a Ron Paul supporter back in 2008 because of his opposition to the Iraq War. If there were a candidate in the race who was a strong non interventionist on foreign policy but didn't give these kind of muddled comments on core issues like abortion, I would support that candidate over Rand. But such a candidate isn't going to be running for President in 2016.

 

[specsaregood]

To TC's credit, I too would have expected/hoped for a better poll result for Rand in KY. It was a very large sample size too compared to most other state polls. At this point though I am not particularly concerned - I really don't think Kentucky will be a problem, imo

I think its a decent result. He's winning and its outside the margin of error. My understanding is the Bill is popular in KY and he has just recently been spending a lot of time stumping for Grimes hasn't he? Much of that is going to translate into support for Hillary.