POLL: Rand endorsing Romney...Good or Bad?

[Perry]

Let's try and keep the debate and passionate opinions in other threads.
I would just like to see a consensus on whether people think this is good or bad.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Anyone that isn't a complete political fool knows that you need to support the party's candidates if you expect to make any headways. The endorsement did not change Rand, only the nutjobs on this forum believe that. And the nutjobs never had real influence anyways, thankfully!

 

[libertyfan101]

Rand sold out. Learn more from your father.

 

[Perry]

Anyone that isn't a complete political fool knows that you need to support the party's candidates if you expect to make any headways. The endorsement did not change Rand, only the nutjobs on this forum believe that. And the nutjobs never had real influence anyways, thankfully!

Does that include Ron Paul who says he would not support Romney?

Dang. really is an even split with more people undecided than anything.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

We're not gonna know for awhile.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Yay undecided!

 

[jclay2]

How can you believe that this action is good for the movement in any way. Look for yourselves at the poll, it is dividing us!

 

[Brian4Liberty]

"Undecided" <> "Don't give a shit".

You need a new option.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

How can you believe that this action is good for the movement in any way. Look for yourselves at the poll, it is dividing us!

It's the nature of passionate people, and confusion. A wait and see approach would do some people a lot of good, as I seem to see a bunch of heads exploding lately.

 

[paulpwns]

I support Rand and Romney over the Obama machine.

 

[DamianTV]

Im not on the Ron Paul Forums because I support or dont support Rand. I am here because I support Ron Paul.

 

[ProIndividual]

I support Rand and Romney over the Obama machine.

So you'd support not having a liberty candidate until 2020 or 2024, instead of 2016...genius. The movement died a little in that one comment.

Clue for those who have no comprehension of game theory:

If the Republicans win, we can't run a liberty candidate until 2020 or 2024 (no modern challenge in the Republican Party of its incumbant President has succeeded). That means setting back the liberty movement in that all important office 8-12 years instead of 4 years.

Vote Romney/Rand = 4-8 year unnecessary setback for liberty

Digest the mathematical realities, and get to NOT voting Republican for President unless it's Ron Paul. You'd be better off voting Obama than Romney, logically.

 

[soulcyon]

I've yet to make my mind up about Rand Paul. He doesn't have the same enthusiasm as his dad, but I'm sure he has his reasons for jumping into politics as well.

Until then, I'll be stocking up on real Gold and silver pieces xD

 

[papitosabe]

Anyone that isn't a complete political fool knows that you need to support the party's candidates if you expect to make any headways. The endorsement did not change Rand, only the nutjobs on this forum believe that. And the nutjobs never had real influence anyways, thankfully!

Does that include Ron Paul who says he would not support Romney?

looks like perry just debunked you...and also, RP didn't support Mccain in 08...

I support Rand and Romney over the Obama machine.

I think Romney would bring more war to the middle east...why do you think Romney would be better than Obama?

So you'd support not having a liberty candidate until 2020 or 2024, instead of 2016...genius. The movement died a little in that one comment.

Clue for those who have no comprehension of game theory:

If the Republicans win, we can't run a liberty candidate until 2020 or 2024 (no modern challenge in the Republican Party of its incumbant President has succeeded). That means setting back the liberty movement in that all important office 8-12 years instead of 4 years.

Vote Romney/Rand = 4-8 year unnecessary setback for liberty

Digest the mathematical realities, and get to NOT voting Republican for President unless it's Ron Paul. You'd be better off voting Obama than Romney, logically.

^^^^^^THIS

 

[Dogsoldier]

Just to be clear.I am undecided.I will NOT support a Romney/Rand ticket because its not a Rand/whoever ticket or a Ron Paul/whoever ticket.

Going on just the info I have now which is not alot and no more then any of you...This was not a good move for Rand OR for the liberty movement.

 

[Vessol]

It's bad. Rand single-handedly has dealt the most devastating blow to this movement than any before.

I'm still stunned and don't know where to go from here. I feel like the last 4 years of my time studying, donating my time and money, for all this, has just been..cleaved in two almost.

I'm going to still go to Porcfest and socialize with freedom-lovers, eventually move up there, be a part of local activism maybe. Do more studying. But I won't support anything that ever has anything to do with Rand Paul again.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Can I say...I told you so?

 

[Vessol]

Can I say...I told you so?

Most certainly, and you'd be right. I decided to support RP2012 because I felt that I owed the man for all that he introduced me to..

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Most certainly, and you'd be right. I decided to support RP2012 because I felt that I owed the man for all that he introduced me to..

The campaign aside, I've been scorned on this forum for daring to utter blasphemy's against Rand. You know, it's a bitch being right so much, when I'd much rather turn out to be wrong. The Rand apologista's though will rationalize anything he does just like your typical O-bot, or partisan-hack / apparatchik. I said time and again Rand wasn't any good to the movement and people hitching their wagon to him just because his name is 'Paul' was fucking stupid and my example I always used was Buffet. Come on folks -- You NEED to support Warren Buffet because his dad was Howard and obviously just because his name is Buffet he's going to be a principled radical libertarian.

Not many listened, and it wasn't too popular. Maybe they'll wake up one day and reflect on their betrayal of basic moral, ethical, and philosophical principles which should be placed above any man.

 

[Vessol]

Not many listened, and it wasn't too popular. Maybe they'll wake up one day and reflect on their betrayal of basic moral, ethical, and philosophical principles which should be placed above any man.

I certainly hope so. There's so many people out there to whom these philosophical principles of liberty and non-aggression have become the focal point of their life. I hope that this wedge doesn't destroy that. I feel more exhausted in this past day than I have in months. I saw it coming, I had reservations when it came to Rand before, but when it came I guess I wasn't prepared. Especially not for all those who seem to think this is good in any way.