Poll: Majority of Americans support conquest, mass bombings

[Brett85]

No, the same way a thief comes and kicks you out of your house and then shoots at you while you sit in your tent in your own front lawn. Defending like that.

The Jewish people owned the land in Israel originally and then were driven out by the Romans around 70AD. They now have the land back that they owned originally, before they were driven out of their own land.

 

[Brett85]

There is a major difference between being anti Jewish and anti Zionist.

The same say that there is a major difference between being anti American and anti American Government.

Then why do so many people here call others "anti Muslim" when they criticize the Syrian government or criticize the Iranian government? Can't you be opposed to these governments without hating the people of these countries? You can't have it both ways. If you don't want to be accused of being "anti Jewish" for criticizing the Israeli government, then you shouldn't label people "anti Muslim" for criticizing governments in Muslim countries.

 

[ghengis86]

The Jewish people owned the land in Israel originally and then were driven out by the Romans around 70AD. They now have the land back that they owned originally, before they were driven out of their own land.

Then you'll move back to England without hesitation or protest (or wherever you came from)?

 

[braane]

The Jewish people owned the land in Israel originally and then were driven out by the Romans around 70AD. They now have the land back that they owned originally, before they were driven out of their own land.

Then you support giving your land back to the natives I suppose?

 

[Brett85]

Then you support giving your land back to the natives I suppose?

That brings up an interesting point. The people who are complaining about the creation of the nation of Israel in 1948 should also be opposed to the way our country was founded, since the first settlers drove the Indians out of their own land. According to the logic of people here it would be justified if Native Americans started strapping bombs on themselves and started blowing themselves up in major cities. They would be justified since they would simply be protesting the occupation of white people who stole their land.

 

[ghengis86]

That brings up an interesting point. The people who are complaining about the creation of the nation of Israel in 1948 should also be opposed to the way our country was founded, since the first settlers drove the Indians out of their own land. According to the logic of people here it would be justified if Native Americans started strapping bombs on themselves and started blowing themselves up in major cities. They would be justified since they would simply be protesting the occupation of white people who stole their land.

So you're moving then?

 

[Brett85]

So you're moving then?

I guess we should all move since we're all living in stolen land.

 

[Kodaddy]

Native Americans did not believe in land ownership. In fact, they beloved that they themselves belonged to the land. But that is not really the issue. How far back do we have to go to determine who owned what? That may be the impossible question to answer. However, Israel is currently occupying land that was not ceded to them by the UN declaration (hence, occupied territories). There is a lot of recent history to this conflict that many do not research before making uneducated comments based on misplaced passions.

 

[RockEnds]

That brings up an interesting point. The people who are complaining about the creation of the nation of Israel in 1948 should also be opposed to the way our country was founded, since the first settlers drove the Indians out of their own land. According to the logic of people here it would be justified if Native Americans started strapping bombs on themselves and started blowing themselves up in major cities. They would be justified since they would simply be protesting the occupation of white people who stole their land.

Are you familiar at all with AIM? Whether you are or not, this is an excellent video from Russell Means. It's long, but it's worth a watch.

 

[klamath]

Native Americans did not believe in land ownership. In fact, they beloved that they themselves belonged to the land. But that is not really the issue. How far back do we have to go to determine who owned what? That may be the impossible question to answer. However, Israel is currently occupying land that was not ceded to them by the UN declaration (hence, occupied territories). There is a lot of recent history to this conflict that many do not research before making uneducated comments based on misplaced passions.

Are you native american? I know Native Americans that DO believe their land was stolen still to this day. They may not have had private onership papers but they did claim hunting ground and territory. The arguement very much applies to America. You cannot standup and declare that that was too far back to matter any more than Israel can stand up and declare a month ago is too far back. There is no written time written, in stone on how long someone has to ocupy a prior peoples land before they can call it theirs. Who is right and who is wrong is the debate for the ages. Holding land has always come down to might makes right.

 

[Kodaddy]

^^^^That is pretty much what I was trying to say, maybe not so eloquently. We have no idea what land was gained or lost by warring tribes of Native Americans before the Europeans showed up. However, Israel IS currently occupying lands which were not given to them by the UN declaration. And you are correct about "might makes right." the Israelis are occupying lands claimed from the "8 day war, of which they were not the aggressor. Nevertheless, this is a conflict that should be settled by the parties involved, not some outsiders who have their own agenda.

 

[Joseph de Maistre]

If Mexican terrorists were lobbing bombs into the USA, I would say attack them. However, do we know who these people are, who are suicidally shooting rockets into Israel?

Who would be so stupid? Is it possible they are simply ultra-Zionists bent on reclaiming Gaza? Who knows. I do not support US involvement in this matter though, and I would strongly doubt Israel has the most positive intentions, given their prior actions in the Middle East.

 

[Demigod]

The Jewish people owned the land in Israel originally and then were driven out by the Romans around 70AD. They now have the land back that they owned originally, before they were driven out of their own land.

Do they have valid deeds from the Roman empire? Because the Palestinians have valid deeds from the Ottoman empire.

Native Americans did not believe in land ownership. In fact, they beloved that they themselves belonged to the land. But that is not really the issue. How far back do we have to go to determine who owned what? That may be the impossible question to answer. However, Israel is currently occupying land that was not ceded to them by the UN declaration (hence, occupied territories). There is a lot of recent history to this conflict that many do not research before making uneducated comments based on misplaced passions.

In Europe where this kind of problems are very frequent the oldest valid deed for a private property is the legal owner of the property ( when you are chased out of your house you grab 2 things gold and deeds ,the first one to survive the second so that your kids can later come back and get what is theirs ).Most of the Palestinian still keep the deeds to their properties.

 

[Demigod]

That brings up an interesting point. The people who are complaining about the creation of the nation of Israel in 1948 should also be opposed to the way our country was founded, since the first settlers drove the Indians out of their own land. According to the logic of people here it would be justified if Native Americans started strapping bombs on themselves and started blowing themselves up in major cities. They would be justified since they would simply be protesting the occupation of white people who stole their land.

Yes absolutely ,probably 99% of the world would see their cause as valid and justified.

 

[gwax23]

The jews bought huge swathes of land Legally during the time of ottoman control and later during the British mandate period. This was land that the majority of jews settled and built new cities such as Tel Aviv. other areas already had a large jewish presences and were older more ancient cities such as Jerusalem Haifa Hebron Safed Tiberia etc etc. The remained of the land was acquired after defeating several larger arab states that invaded in the 48 war of Independence.

Israel has no interest in gaza. It doesnt want Gaza, Doesnt Need Gaza, Doesnt care about Gaza. It only wants the missiles to stop firing. What country wouldnt?

 

[robert68]

Yes absolutely ,probably 99% of the world would see their cause as valid and justified.

More like .99 %

 

[BAllen]

^^^^That is pretty much what I was trying to say, maybe not so eloquently. We have no idea what land was gained or lost by warring tribes of Native Americans before the Europeans showed up. However, Israel IS currently occupying lands which were not given to them by the UN declaration. And you are correct about "might makes right." the Israelis are occupying lands claimed from the "8 day war, of which they were not the aggressor. Nevertheless, this is a conflict that should be settled by the parties involved, not some outsiders who have their own agenda.

Right! Kennewick man (white) is hundreds of years older than any american indian remains. So the question is how far do you want to go back? And, you are correct in that it is none of our business.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

The jews bought huge swathes of land Legally during the time of ottoman control and later during the British mandate period. This was land that the majority of jews settled and built new cities such as Tel Aviv. other areas already had a large jewish presences and were older more ancient cities such as Jerusalem Haifa Hebron Safed Tiberia etc etc. The remained of the land was acquired after defeating several larger arab states that invaded in the 48 war of Independence.

Israel has no interest in gaza. It doesnt want Gaza, Doesnt Need Gaza, Doesnt care about Gaza. It only wants the missiles to stop firing. What country wouldnt?

What perfect disinfo! The UN offered official recognition of a zone for Jewish settlers, which when added to all the land Jews had bought still did not give it ownership of the majority of modern Israel. Zionists seized territories far beyond the UN sanctioned and already owned land in the late '40's, which is what led to the Arab retaliatory invasion. From then to now, all Israeli aggression is called "self defense," while all Arab-Muslim response gets called "terrorism."

Arabs there have been losing more land illegally ever since, most recently through the always-developing Jewish settlements. They are currently fighting or negotiating to retain a territory that is a fraction of the area that they had at the time of the Oslo accords, which is a fraction of the area that they had at the time of the 6 day war, which is a fraction of the area that they had at the time of the UN partition of Israel and Palestine in 1948, which is only a fraction of the area that they had at the time of the Balfour declaration, and so on. To this day Israel declines to define its borders, which the Arabs take to mean they recognize NO Palestinian borders, aka no sovereign right for Palestine to exist, or to defend itself.

Palestinians are being terrorized by IDF bombings, drone strikes and blockades in order to encourage them to relocate to Jordan or Eygpt. If Israel wants the bombs to stop, they should stop their bombings that started the current round of violence.

 

[robert68]

For there to begin to be a comparison between the present Palestinian situation and that of the Native Americans, there would have to presently be 400 plus million Native Americans living in and outside the US, the vast majority living in refugee camps or under US military occupation, and the remaining having 2nd class US citizenship and very restricted movement.

Then the US settler colony state would have to be to be dependent on massive Chinese military and financial support for both itself and friendly regimes ruling Mexico and Canada. Since in fact there are only 2 million living Native Americans, all having full US citizenship, the comparison is standard zionist nonsense intended to excuse Israel's horrid 60 plus year long barbaric treatment of the Palestinians.

 

[klamath]

For there to begin to be a comparison between the present Palestinian situation and that of the Native Americans, there would have to presently be 400 plus million Native Americans living in and outside the US, the vast majority living in refugee camps or under US military occupation, and the remaining having 2nd class US citizenship and very restricted movement.

Then the US settler colony state would have to be to be dependent on massive Chinese military and financial support for both itself and friendly regimes ruling Mexico and Canada. Since in fact there are only 2 million living Native Americans, all having full US citizenship, the comparison is standard zionist nonsense intended to excuse Israel's horrid 60 plus year long barbaric treatment of the Palestinians.

Obviously you haven't read much US history. Maybe you oaught to read about the trail of tears. Maybe you oaught to research that the indians involved actually tried to be American citizens and took their claims the the supreme court and won. But the peoples man Jackson ignored the supreme court and sent the federal army to march them a thousand miles to what was considered useless land. Our occupation of the indians terratory was every last bit as ugly as the Israeli occupation.