Poll: Judge Roy Moore leads competitors in runoff

[William Tell]

LOL! You would sooner flap your arms and fly to the moon.

A lot of people said the same about Trump becoming president. You like SCOTUS because they enforce humanistic socialism, someday the shoe may be on the other foot. That's the problem with giving unlimited power to an institution.

 

[William Tell]

He is a good guy, hope my post wasn't misconstrued. And ya, I'll be waiting for that.

Ah well, hope you didn't hold your breath. But he + repped my post and said he defended me somehow, maybe by saying I am supporting a candidate who hates us all and liberty?

 

[Sonny Tufts]

That's the problem with giving unlimited power to an institution.

SCOTUS doesn't have unlimited power. It cannot enforce its own decisions but must rely on the Executive Branch to do so. It has no control over its budget, which has to come from Congress. And its decisions can be overturned by the legislature (if the issue is one of statutory interpretation) or by an amendment to the Constitution (if the issue is a constitutional one).

And it's not that I like SCOTUS -- in fact I disagree with many of its decisions, including Kelo and the upholding of Obamacare's individual mandate -- but I recognize that there has to be some institution that ultimately decides legal matters involving the Constitution and SCOTUS just happens to be that institution.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/three-distinct-brands-of-conservatism-battle-in-alabama/

The Establishment Candidate: Sen. Luther Strange

"Big Luther," as his ads sometimes call him, is the nominal incumbent because he won the appointment to fill the seat after Sessions resigned to become attorney general. That has been both a blessing and a curse.

On the positive side, it has allowed Strange to build up a conservative voting record. He voted to repeal Obamacare and to confirm Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch, for instance. Incumbency also has given Strange access to deep pockets. He has raised more than $3.2 million, more than the other nine candidates combined. The Senate Leadership Fund, a super PAC affiliated with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), also has dumped nearly $2 million into the race in support of Strange and pounded his opponents with negative ads.
...
The Tea Party Conservative: Mo Brooks

Brooks, who represents northern Alabama in the House of Representatives, is one of the most conservative members of Congress and a founding member of the House Freedom Caucus.

Brooks has the backing of grass-roots conservative groups, including Tea Party Patriots, and national conservative thought leaders such as LifeZette Editor in Chief Laura Ingraham, Fox News host Sean Hannity, and radio talk-show host Mark Levin.

Brooks gained national attention and free media throughout the state in June when a gunman opened fire while he and other Republican members of Congress were practicing for the annual congressional baseball game. He even used the incident in an ad defending the Second Amendment — a TV spot that drew criticism from some, including an aide to shooting victim House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.).

A win by Brooks would show the power of the Tea Party and the willingness of Alabama Republicans to send someone to the Senate with the potential to cause headaches for Trump and McConnell by holding out for the most conservative version possible of legislation, even at the risk of killing those bills.

The Social Conservative Firebrand: Roy Moore

Moore has been a household name and controversial figure in the state since 2000, when he parlayed an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit challenging his display of the Ten Commandments in the Etowah County courtroom into a successful run for chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court.

It did not take long for him to invite controversy. Without the knowledge or consent of the other justices, he had a large granite monument of the Ten Commandments erected in the lobby of the Alabama judicial building in the state capital of Montgomery. His failure to comply with a federal judge's order to remove the monument following a lawsuit led to his ouster from the court.

After a failed run for governor in 2006, Moore made a political comeback in 2012 to reclaim his old position as chief justice. In doing so, he defeated an incumbent who had been appointed by the governor and a Mobile County Circuit Court judge who once had been state attorney general. And he did so in a clean primary win, with no need for a runoff.

But Moore soon found himself mired in controversy once again, this time over gay marriage. After a federal judge in Mobile struck down the state's ban on same-sex marriage — and the U.S. Supreme Court refused to block her decision from taking effect — Moore instructed the state's probate court judges to follow state law, not the federal judge's ruling.

The action led to Moore's indefinite suspension, which formally ended when he resigned to run for the Senate.
...

 

[parocks]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

It says nothing about anyone but congress (you could try to stretch it to encompass the state legislature), and it prohibits nothing but the making of laws to establish a religion. If the people don't like a cultural/religious display in a court house they can through the legislature or the ballot box seek to change the judiciary or prohibit the display, the Feds have no say whatsoever.

If you ignore the actual words, you could pretend that it says something entirely different.


At least one state, Massachusetts I think, did actually have an established religion. The actual meaning of that part of the 1st A is simply - if you, state, have an established religion, we, congress, won't hinder you. And after 200 years, they've interpreted it so it doesn't make any sense at all.

The point of that part of the 1st A is to allow Moore to put up the 10.

 

[Swordsmyth]

If you ignore the actual words, you could pretend that it says something entirely different.


At least one state, Massachusetts I think, did actually have an established religion. The actual meaning of that part of the 1st A is simply - if you, state, have an established religion, we, congress, won't hinder you. And after 200 years, they've interpreted it so it doesn't make any sense at all.

The point of that part of the 1st A is to allow Moore to put up the 10.

Good point.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Election Day. Fox News has been nice enough to cover the story by highlighting Trump's endorsement of Strange, and then having Karl Rove give his endorsement of Strange live.

 

[William Tell]

Yes Faux was asking Strange the tough questions like

There are a lot of qualified candidates, why do you think Trump chose you?

 

[William Tell]

Results coming in.

Moore still ahead
Moore is at 38 percent compared to Strange's 31 percent and Brooks' 22 percent. Brooks enjoyed a nice boost from his home base of Madison County but still lags behind. Still waiting on voter-rich Shelby County.

 

[William Tell]

Moore has 41 percent of the vote and Strange has 32 percent with 42 percent of precincts reporting, with Rep. Mo Brooks trailing at 19 percent. If no candidate gets 50 percent of the vote, the top two will advance to a primary runoff on Sept. 26.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/trump-alabama-special-election-241665

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Wait till the run-off. The establishment may make this the most expensive Senate race in history. How much can they smear (or set-up) Moore?

 

[donnay]

No they were separate, Moses got the original 10 on the mount, the rest he got or made up himself later.
Christ told the woman to go and sin no more because adultery was still a sin.

Jesus told her to go and sin no more, because the scribes and Pharisees just brought the woman. Jesus was pointing out their hypocrisy. It takes two to tango. Also, Moses didn't make up any of the 10 Commandments they were all given from God.


Exodus 20:1 - 20:26
1 And God spake all these words, saying,..

 

[Swordsmyth]

Jesus told her to go and sin no more, because the scribes and Pharisees just brought the woman. Jesus was pointing out their hypocrisy. It takes two to tango. Also, Moses didn't make up any of the 10 Commandments they were all given from God.


Exodus 20:1 - 20:26
1 And God spake all these words, saying,..

You misread my post, the 10 came from GOD, but Josephus tells us that Moses added the rest of the law a little bit at a time later, some of it also came from GOD but Christ himself repudiated Moses allowing divorce, much of the rest of the law is also clearly not divine and was Moses opinion.
Moses was not exactly perfect he defied GOD on several occasions and was barred from entering the promised land.

 

[William Tell]

Wait till the run-off. The establishment may make this the most expensive Senate race in history. How much can they smear (or set-up) Moore?

It will take a lot. There are 67 counties in Alabama. One county hasn't come in yet. Brooks won 2. Strange won 5. Moore won the rest. If everyone who voted Moore shows back up for him he wins. Luther will need high turnout from the dense urban counties or else Moore swamps him.

 

[donnay]

You misread my post, the 10 came from GOD, but Josephus tells us that Moses added the rest of the law a little bit at a time later, some of it also came from GOD but Christ himself repudiated Moses allowing divorce, much of the rest of the law is also clearly not divine and was Moses opinion.
Moses was not exactly perfect he defied GOD on several occasions and was barred from entering the promised land.

God is a divorcee.

Jeremiah 3:8
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

 

[Swordsmyth]

God is a divorcee.

Jeremiah 3:8
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Metaphor, GOD speaks to people in their own terms so they will understand.

[h=3]Mark
Chapter 10[/h] 1 And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.
2 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.
3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

 

[donnay]

Metaphor, GOD speaks to people in their own terms so they will understand.

[h=3]Mark
Chapter 10[/h] 1 And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.
2 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.
3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Yes but it is a forgivable sin since Jesus died for our sins.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Yes but it is a forgivable sin since Jesus died for our sins.

I never said it wasn't.
If you look at how this discussion started you will see that my point was that Christians are not bound by the harsh "Law of Moses" the my opponent tried to stick us with.

 

[Mikezelot]

Let's try and stay on topic guys.

Is this Moore guy a liberty politician? I don't know much about him.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Let's try and stay on topic guys.

Is this Moore guy a liberty politician? I don't know much about him.

He is much better than Strange.