Poll: Judge Roy Moore leads competitors in runoff

[specsaregood]

2nd lowest overall tax burden in the nation. More than half of NH land is in current use tax status with very low property taxes. Some communities in NH don't even have property tax.

and yet

Real-Estate Property Taxes by State
Rank, State, Effective Real-Estate Tax Rate, Annual Taxes on $179K Home*, State Median Home Value, Annual Taxes on Home Priced at State Median Value
51 New Jersey 2.35% $4,189 $315,900 $7,410
50 Illinois 2.30% $4,105 $173,800 $3,995
49 New Hampshire 2.15% $3,838 $237,300 $5,100
48 Connecticut 1.97% $3,517 $270,500 $5,327

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-highest-and-lowest-property-taxes/11585/

 

[Keith and stuff]

and yet

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-highest-and-lowest-property-taxes/11585/

Exactly. Just because NH is the freest state with the 2nd lowest overall tax rate, and has communities without personal income, sales, or property taxes, and has the most pro-liberty weapons laws in the nation, and the lowest murder rate, and the lowest poverty tax, and so on, doesn't mean it is perfect in every way, just much better than any other states on average and in those specific areas.

 

[specsaregood]

Exactly. Just because NH is the freest state with the 2nd lowest overall tax rate, and has communities without personal income, sales, or property taxes, and has the most pro-liberty weapons laws in the nation, and the lowest murder rate, and the lowest poverty tax, and so on, doesn't mean it is perfect in every way, just much better than any other states on average and in those specific areas.

I just think of property taxes as the worst of all the taxes. But I pay property taxes in NJ, so who am I to bitch and point fingers...

 

[Sonny Tufts]

If Roy gets on SCOTUS someday

LOL! You would sooner flap your arms and fly to the moon.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The point is that someone has to make the determination of what's constitutional and have that determination have the force of law. And that someone isn't you or Roy Moore -- it's SCOTUS. Moore's antics are similar to George Wallace's standing in the doorway at the University of Alabama, refusing to let a black man enroll. in defiance of a federal court order. It might have pleased his bigoted followers, but it violated the law.

Bunk.
The constitution is written in English, it means what it says, segregation in government schools was a violation of the privileges and immunities clause, the 10 commandments monument was not.
SCOTUS is not holy and people should defy it's unconstitutional dictates.

 

[Swordsmyth]

My guess is the 14th makes it apply to states. That being said, I don't like the 14th.

Forget the constitution for a minute. It's just wrong for a judge, who's supposed to be neutral, to be sneaking a religious monument into a courthouse. And then filming and selling the video. I can't believe you guys are ok with that.

Like I asked earlier. What if it was a muslim judge sneaking in a statue of muhammad? And all his speeches were muhammad this, muhammad that.

I would vote to prohibit the statue and unseat the judge, but the Feds or the courts would have no say.
America is a Christian nation, her laws were built on Christian legal doctrine a 10 commandments statue is not inappropriate in an American courthouse, if you and a bunch of Atheists don't like it you can vote to get rid of the monument or unseat the judge but the Feds have NO say whatsoever.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

segregation in government schools was a violation of the privileges and immunities clause, the 10 commandments monument was not.
SCOTUS is not holy and people should defy it's unconstitutional dictates.

No, school segregation violated the Equal Protection Clause, and the Ten Commandments monument violated the Due Process Clause. While a Privileges and Immunity analysis might have been better suited to address things the states were prohibited from doing under the 14th Amendment, SCOTUS declined to adopt that analysis in the Slaughterhouse Cases in 1873. The P&I clause has been somewhat of a dead letter ever since.

It might be better if you read the caselaw and learn what the law really is, rather than what you would like it to be.

 

[Swordsmyth]

LOL! You would sooner flap your arms and fly to the moon.

I notice you didn't respond to the point about Dred Scott.

 

[Swordsmyth]

No, school segregation violated the Equal Protection Clause

Nonsense, going to school is a privilege, it does not protect you from anything.

the Ten Commandments monument violated the Due Process Clause.

Bunk, nobody was denied as single piece of "due process" because there was a statue in the courthouse, "process" is a way of doing things, an inanimate object does not affect a way of doing things by sitting in the lobby.

While a Privileges and Immunity analysis might have been better suited to address things the states were prohibited from doing under the 14th Amendment, SCOTUS declined to adopt that analysis in the Slaughterhouse Cases in 1873. The P&I clause has been somewhat of a dead letter ever since.

No part of the constitution is "dead", and legal opinions can't make it so.

It might be better if you read the caselaw and learn what the law really is, rather than what you would like it to be.

It might be better if you and SCOTUS learned English.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

America is a Christian nation, her laws were built on Christian legal doctrine

The Constitution is a secular document, and the First Amendment in particular contravenes Christian doctrine. After all, it denies the government the authority to prohibit someone from being a Buddhist, Muslim, atheist, polytheist (contrary to the First Commandment), or any other non-Christian adherent, any one of which should result in death under Biblical doctrine (see Deuteronomy 13:6-11).

 

[Swordsmyth]

The Constitution is a secular document, and the First Amendment in particular contravenes Christian doctrine. After all, it denies the government the authority to prohibit someone from being a Buddhist, Muslim, atheist, polytheist (contrary to the First Commandment), or any other non-Christian adherent, any one of which should result in death under Biblical doctrine (see Deuteronomy 13:6-11).

The "law of Moses" was given to Israel until Christ came and fulfilled the law, it no longer applies unlike the 10 commandments.

[h=1]Luke 16:16[/h] “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”

[h=1]John 1:17[/h] “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”

[h=3]John
Chapter 8[/h]They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

 

[Madison320]

I would vote to prohibit the statue and unseat the judge, but the Feds or the courts would have no say.
America is a Christian nation, her laws were built on Christian legal doctrine a 10 commandments statue is not inappropriate in an American courthouse, if you and a bunch of Atheists don't like it you can vote to get rid of the monument or unseat the judge but the Feds have NO say whatsoever.

Why would you vote to prohibit the statue if America is a Christian nation?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Why would you vote to prohibit the statue if America is a Christian nation?

I was referring to the theoretical statue of muhammad.

Like I asked earlier. What if it was a muslim judge sneaking in a statue of muhammad? And all his speeches were muhammad this, muhammad that.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Strawman. Just because the schools don't teach the brand of Christianity that some folks want them to doesn't mean they're teaching secular humanism.

They're already teaching it. And you might want to learn the definition of strawman.

The antithesis of liberty is allowing the government, backed by force and financed by taxpayers' money, to promote a particular religious belief. Do you really want governmental bureaucrats making theological decisions about which particular belief is to be the government's favorite.

They already do. See above.




You also missed a question, chief. Here it is again:


It also never ceases to amaze me how your behavior here is progressive/antithetical to the site, and how your presence here apparently has nothing to do with liberty. Why is that, tax lawyer?

 

[Madison320]

I was referring to the theoretical statue of muhammad.

Will you allow me to buy beer on sundays? That's really the main issue here.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

The "law of Moses" was given to Israel until Christ came and fulfilled the law, it no longer applies unlike the 10 commandments.

The Ten Commandments were part of the Mosaic law. So if you're gonna toss Deuteronomy, you'll have to toss the Ten (which, btw, are part of Deuteronomy as well as Exodus).

 

[Swordsmyth]

Will you allow me to buy beer on sundays? That's really the main issue here.

No it isn't.
States might be able to pass such a law I would be against it. (the law)

 

[Swordsmyth]

The Ten Commandments were part of the Mosaic law. So if you're gonna toss Deuteronomy, you'll have to toss the Ten (which, btw, are part of Deuteronomy as well as Exodus).

No they were separate, Moses got the original 10 on the mount, the rest he got or made up himself later.
Christ told the woman to go and sin no more because adultery was still a sin.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I just think of property taxes as the worst of all the taxes. But I pay property taxes in NJ, so who am I to bitch and point fingers...

Yeah, I don't much like 'em there, which is why I pay none/almost none. And I do that without living in a NH community that is property tax free.

As for a whole state, AL tends to have some of the lowest property taxes in the nation. So likely all of the Senate candidates pay a lot less in property taxes than you do

 

[William Tell]

Of the 3 candidates doing best in the polls, Mo is the least bad.

How do you figure? What do you like about Brooks? What about Roy Moore makes him worse than a supporter of undeclared wars and the Patriot Act?

There is a Ron Paul Republican in the race. If I lived in AL, that's the yard sign that would be in my yard and the person I'd vote for.

Go Pittman. I'm all for Ron Paulers winning. But in the event he loses as you agree is most likely go Roy Moore. And I am rooting for Moore + Pittman to make the runoff most certainly not Mo Brooks or Strange.

Most polls show it will be Moore vs Strange we will see. Of those two the choice is easy for sure.