POLL: Draft Ron Paul, indy run? I got 140 signatures today...

[colecrowe]

48% (84 people): Great (option 1)
29% (49 people): total of Bad+Horrible+Stupid (options 4, 5, & 6)

71.18% Good (options 1-3) (but 10% of those say he could NEVER win (option 2))
28.83% Bad (options 4-6)

So 61% is pretty darn strong (104 people on this forum so far)--that's people that think it would be a good idea AND that he could win it (options 1 and 3).

27.06% say he could NEVER win (options 2 and 5).

 

[Kludge]

You can't win with less then 2/3 of those who already failed to elect him WITH (very limited) press coverage. Media won't cover him at all as an independent. Message could be spread better on an individual level

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

You can't win with less then 2/3 of those who already failed to elect him WITH (very limited) press coverage. Media won't cover him at all as an independent. Message could be spread better on an individual level

Why would the other 1/3 vote for Obama/Hillary or McCain? That's completely illogical. I'm inclined to believe even those who don't want him to run as an independent would still vote for him if he did.

The media already blacked him out, so that's nothing new. But even so, Ron Paul would at least get some coverage, probably more on par with levels of coverage Ross Perot perceived. The only reason to believe they wouldn't cover him at all as an indy is due to Ralph Nader. While I still see it as somewhat unfair, it's also more understandable. After all, Nader is someone who only appealed to no more than 5% of independents and far left Democrats in 2000 combined. And even then, he ended up with about 3% in 2000, and less than 1% in 2004.

Ron Paul would start out miles beyond perennial liberal candidate Nader, so it's reasonable to assume he would gain more media coverage as well. Especially when anti-war voters from the Dem side come flocking to him after the very possible likelihood of Hillary doing something underhanded to snatch the nomination away from their beloved Obama.

 

[colecrowe]

He should run a few really amazing infomercials nationwide, primetime. Perot got more than the sitcoms. He got 10.9 million viewers on a Friday night.

 

[mmink15]

Can't hurt, and it gives us a few more months to canvass and spread the word face-to-face.

 

[Kludge]

Why would the other 1/3 vote for Obama/Hillary or McCain? That's completely illogical. I'm inclined to believe even those who don't want him to run as an independent would still vote for him if he did.

The media already blacked him out, so that's nothing new. But even so, Ron Paul would at least get some coverage, probably more on par with levels of coverage Ross Perot perceived. The only reason to believe they wouldn't cover him at all as an indy is due to Ralph Nader. While I still see it as somewhat unfair, it's also more understandable. After all, Nader is someone who only appealed to no more than 5% of independents and far left Democrats in 2000 combined. And even then, he ended up with about 3% in 2000, and less than 1% in 2004.

Ron Paul would start out miles beyond perennial liberal candidate Nader, so it's reasonable to assume he would gain more media coverage as well. Especially when anti-war voters from the Dem side come flocking to him after the very possible likelihood of Hillary doing something underhanded to snatch the nomination away from their beloved Obama.

I sure as hell won't help in funding him again. This campaign was a joke. The goal was education and all I saw were god-awful commercials and racist newsletters (which won't go away when if he run indy[even if they weren't really a fault of his]) with minimal press coverage.

Sure, we'll probably do at LEAST 3x better then Nadar. 5% of the vote, maybe? Most of the apathetic don't vote in primaries, the general election brings in all sorts of know-nothings voting by who sounds/looks best, or who's in the party they affiliate themselves with.

The 1/3 who voted against an indy. run will probably vote for him, but I doubt they'd fund him again.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

If it's any consolation, I look pretty good and I'll gladly run for president in the future


I think the campaign was managed poorly. Indy + Bob Barr + A huge name for an advisor = a possible shot at this

 

[Banana]

I would think it far more effective to just get the ballot access wherever possible and organizing a committee to elect Ron Paul independently.

Make this clear that this is an independent effort outside of official PCC, is not endorsed or approved by RP himself, then it would work out to everyone's benefit. If things dictate, RP can then go over to indy run. Or he can use that as a bargaining chip at the national Convention.

But one thing is for sure, I am reasonably positive that he shouldn't be involved in this as long as he is officially running for Republican nomination, or be coordinating in any way; it would be viewed upon as a collusion and would reflect poorly on him.

 

[mkeller]

Good idea, Banana.

 

[Andrew76]

Anyone who disagrees, imo, with the notion that Ron Paul should continue to get the message out - since he's clearly in the best position to do so on a large scale, is hugely mistaken. Why shouldn't he? Who else is in such a position to continue to a) get the word out on his own and b) motivate others to do so?
Don't fool yourselves, none of us can touch the level of influence he has on a national level. A year or so ago, you'd have never dreamed that stockbrokers would be televised live, cheering for Ron Paul as he lit into a Fed chairman over money policy.

Things. Have. Changed. We must continue to get this message out, as Ron has himself noted. The odds are so infinetessimally small for a presidential win as to be nonexistent, agreed. And it doesn't matter now if you think the campaign was handled well or not. What matters is that the fight - technically - is not over, and even if it was, there's still ample time to continue to hammer away at mainstream America with this universally important message: free minds, free markets, individual responsibility, non-intervention, liberty and freedom.

Newsflash: the message is what matters most. Why it is that some of you have yet to understand this is beyond me. Ron is 99.999 percent not likely to get the repub. nomination, fine. It is what it is. So, he couldn't continue to campaign as a republican. But, if he goes independent, that gives us more time, and more opportunities to CONTINUE to reach people with The Message. How many of you have had your lives completely shaken by this campaign? (I mean that in the best way possible). For those of us who feel something akin to being born-again, there is no turning back. The message must continue. It has to continue or this was all for nothing.

Sure, pick this argument apart, find reasons as to why we should all throw in the towel and stop dedicating time out of our lives to something so important. Go vote for Obama or McCain, idiots.

For the rest of you non-fair weather patriots, we've got work to do! Onwards and upwards.

Ron, independent in 2008!

 

[AFM]

+ quadrillion

 

[Russellk30]

Dr. Paul said he will stay in until the convention, which has been his plan all along.

Why keep throwing this independent run into the mix?

It is contrary to what the good Doctor has said, many times.

Contrarians! Oh the humanities! The good doctor is going to be displeased that some among us have views that differ from someone else’s! I feel sorry for the intern that will have to break this news to him.

 

[Russellk30]

Anyone who disagrees, imo, with the notion that Ron Paul should continue to get the message out - since he's clearly in the best position to do so on a large scale, is hugely mistaken. Why shouldn't he? Who else is in such a position to continue to a) get the word out on his own and b) motivate others to do so?
Don't fool yourselves, none of us can touch the level of influence he has on a national level. A year or so ago, you'd have never dreamed that stockbrokers would be televised live, cheering for Ron Paul as he lit into a Fed chairman over money policy.

Things. Have. Changed. We must continue to get this message out, as Ron has himself noted. The odds are so infinetessimally small for a presidential win as to be nonexistent, agreed. And it doesn't matter now if you think the campaign was handled well or not. What matters is that the fight - technically - is not over, and even if it was, there's still ample time to continue to hammer away at mainstream America with this universally important message: free minds, free markets, individual responsibility, non-intervention, liberty and freedom.

Newsflash: the message is what matters most. Why it is that some of you have yet to understand this is beyond me. Ron is 99.999 percent not likely to get the repub. nomination, fine. It is what it is. So, he couldn't continue to campaign as a republican. But, if he goes independent, that gives us more time, and more opportunities to CONTINUE to reach people with The Message. How many of you have had your lives completely shaken by this campaign? (I mean that in the best way possible). For those of us who feel something akin to being born-again, there is no turning back. The message must continue. It has to continue or this was all for nothing.

Sure, pick this argument apart, find reasons as to why we should all throw in the towel and stop dedicating time out of our lives to something so important. Go vote for Obama or McCain, idiots.

For the rest of you non-fair weather patriots, we've got work to do! Onwards and upwards.

Ron, independent in 2008!

Hell yeah! Now thats some good reality based logic right there, something that has been lacking around here for a bit.

Anybody have a video of those stockbrokers cheering for Ron? I think I missed that one.

 

[free.alive]

When will this stop. 68% of you are idiots, end of story..


Oh shit...that means that in order to actually have a chance at long-term change we not only have to overcome all the collectivist dems, and all the collectivist republicrats, and all the collectivist moderates (independents) and all the fringe party devotees who deflate our numbers, you mean to tell me that 68% of Ron Paul's supporters have no savvy, balls and can't conceptualize a game of chess?!

Looks like we REALLY have our work cut out for us.

People this is a life-long fight. Our best check-mate is for all of you to become PCO in your local GOP and vote out the frauds. Then we decide the platform, we decide the party leadership, we decide the rules and we decide the criteria for candidates. McFlyy????

 

[colecrowe]

keep it bumped. don't disenfranchise.

 

[Russellk30]

When will this stop. 68% of you are idiots, end of story..


Oh shit...that means that in order to actually have a chance at long-term change we not only have to overcome all the collectivist dems, and all the collectivist republicrats, and all the collectivist moderates (independents) and all the fringe party devotees who deflate our numbers, you mean to tell me that 68% of Ron Paul's supporters have no savvy, balls and can't conceptualize a game of chess?!

Looks like we REALLY have our work cut out for us.

People this is a life-long fight. Our best check-mate is for all of you to become PCO in your local GOP and vote out the frauds. Then we decide the platform, we decide the party leadership, we decide the rules and we decide the criteria for candidates. McFlyy????

Fail

 

[Melissa]

Anyone who disagrees, imo, with the notion that Ron Paul should continue to get the message out - since he's clearly in the best position to do so on a large scale, is hugely mistaken. Why shouldn't he? Who else is in such a position to continue to a) get the word out on his own and b) motivate others to do so?
Don't fool yourselves, none of us can touch the level of influence he has on a national level. A year or so ago, you'd have never dreamed that stockbrokers would be televised live, cheering for Ron Paul as he lit into a Fed chairman over money policy.

Things. Have. Changed. We must continue to get this message out, as Ron has himself noted. The odds are so infinetessimally small for a presidential win as to be nonexistent, agreed. And it doesn't matter now if you think the campaign was handled well or not. What matters is that the fight - technically - is not over, and even if it was, there's still ample time to continue to hammer away at mainstream America with this universally important message: free minds, free markets, individual responsibility, non-intervention, liberty and freedom.

Newsflash: the message is what matters most. Why it is that some of you have yet to understand this is beyond me. Ron is 99.999 percent not likely to get the repub. nomination, fine. It is what it is. So, he couldn't continue to campaign as a republican. But, if he goes independent, that gives us more time, and more opportunities to CONTINUE to reach people with The Message. How many of you have had your lives completely shaken by this campaign? (I mean that in the best way possible). For those of us who feel something akin to being born-again, there is no turning back. The message must continue. It has to continue or this was all for nothing.

Sure, pick this argument apart, find reasons as to why we should all throw in the towel and stop dedicating time out of our lives to something so important. Go vote for Obama or McCain, idiots.

For the rest of you non-fair weather patriots, we've got work to do! Onwards and upwards.

Ron, independent in 2008!

QFT

 

[Banana]

Soo.... let's translate talk into action.

I earlier suggested that people form a committee to elect Ron Paul independently. Adopt a precinct program, work on a script to disavow any kind of affiliation with official PCC while gathering ballot access and getting petition signatures (e.g. real live petition, not an online petition) pledging to vote for Ron Paul if he is on the ballot (don't have to be indy or Republican; just pledge to vote for Ron Paul wherever he may be on the ballot), and so forth.

This will help RP in long run: 1) If he stays in Republican race, he has a bargaining chip to take to convention and because he had no hand in this, this can't be considered a collusion, and GOP will have to take him seriously because of all support (the more hard pledged there is, the better), 2) If he does give up on republican, or convention has come and no nomination or coup turns out, he has a indy run that's made possible by grassroot efforts.

This isn't a mutually exclusive goal, but for this to start right now, I'd think everyone should know to leave Ron Paul and PCC out of this, and just concentrate on getting the ballot access and pledges while we continue to support his pressent objectives of picking up as many as delegates as he can at Republican conventions.

Remember- Paul cannot and should not hedge his bets, but there's nothing stopping us from doing so.

 

[Bro.Butch]

The most inexpensive and productive way to do this is through third parties who already have Ballot access in a lot of states. Ballot petitioning is time consuming, expensive and frustrating. You need to get almost twice the amount required to ensure they are enough valid ones.

Most people don't realize how hard it will be to get over a million signatures from people. These third Parties know the laws and how to get the job done.

There are several third parties who like Ron. I say the more that will draft him the BETTER ! There is no law against receiving the nomination of more than one party ! There are laws that state your name cannot appear twice on the ballot in some states. Just hypotheticly(sic?) speaking let's say the CP (Constitutional Party) and the LP (Libertarian Party) draft Dr. Paul. They can work it out between them which states they will have Dr. Paul at the top of their ticket. Every single Ron Paul supporter can choose whichever one they like and work with them or not work with them.

It will still be Ron and the message on the ballot, no matter which label it is under. I think it would be wonderful if we could get as many of these as possible supporting Ron, because that means they won't be running anyone against him. If five or six third Parties back him I truly think we would have a chance.

We would only have a chance however by running local-state campaigns, not sending money to the current RP campaign, they ,as has been stated, are inept and should be replaced. Dr. Paul probably doesn't understand they have squandered his chances @ the nomination. It would take too long to cover their blunders here, needless to say we can use independent and PAC ads in our areas to get the message out and make long strides toward victory. Let the national campaign continue to work on coordinating precinct canvassing, not on advertising we have to take that over to make sure it is done !!!


About the third Parties
We need to email their leadership and let them know we want them to DRAFT RON PAUL. If enough of us do this they will draft him and he will be in the FINAL for all the marbles ! I just don't want all of our efforts to end and not be in the finals. We still have a chance to spread this message to 100 million more people before Nov.4.


Ron has been trying to win a Republican U.S. House race (a RP 70 +% winner as you know). He has no opposition in Nov. and in Texas his name can be in the POTUS race also, so no problem there. However, he can't seek these third Party nominations because it will be used against him. He chooses to remain a Republican (which he has been since childhood, by the way) in the congress for the benefits (committee appointments, etc.) .

He has to be drafted by these third Parties and run as U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) on the Libertarian, Constitutionist, Reform, New American Independent Party, American Party, Jeffersonian Republican Party (he has their endorsesment by the way), American Heritage Party, Populist Party and/or Conservative Party's nominee for POTUS. That way if he loses he can retain his position within the Republican Party House organization.

If all these third parties would back him in a combined effort this one time he could truly be competitive on Nov. 4 ! An E Plurius Unum (sic?) {Out Of Many, One !} campaign. With Ron's grassroots revitalized it could shake up this country-LOL...

In a 4-to-5 way Electorial College race anything could happen, even a Ron Paul Victory !!!

As for being accused of sour grapes, WELL he told them he was the ONLY true Republican in the race. He will STILL be !!!!!!! -LOLOLOLOL

Let's do this friends, and not squander this past year of effort...

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Others are already working toward this effort...

Fellow supporters of Ron Paul,

Let’s keep Ron Paul in the presidential race through Election Day!

Dr. Paul has made it clear he is in the race through the Republican convention in September—he’s not quitting and he’s not letting up. But he has also stated that he doesn’t plan to run after that as a third party candidate.

I understand his reluctance to seek the Libertarian Party’s nomination for President. The rules are stacked against independent and third party candidates, and media attention to these candidacies is minimal.

But the rules are changed now, thanks to Dr. Paul himself.

The Libertarian Party is already on the ballot throughout the nation, and Ron Paul is now a household name after the Republican presidential debates. He also has a proven ability to obtain financial support on a level never before enjoyed by the Libertarian Party.

This combination of name recognition and financial support means that a Ron Paul candidacy could carry the Libertarian Party vote *(%) into the double-digits on Election Day, and possibly keep both major parties from obtaining a majority of the votes. No longer would libertarians and constitutionalist conservatives be ignored!

And let’s not forget his demonstrated support from independents and anti-establishment Democrats. A historic new coalition is in the making, and it can carry the Ron Paul Revolution forward past the 2008 elections!

Let’s not throw away all that has been gained this year.

Let’s keep Ron Paul on the ballot through Election Day!

I urge... Dr. Paul to seek and accept the Libertarian Party nomination, for the reasons I’ve given you. The...Libertarian Party to draft Ron Paul as its presidential candidate this year.

Please...join this effort. After you have...please...urge your friends to...as well... That way we maximize the impact...!

Thank you,

David Franke
Editor
UltimateRonPaul.com
9625 Surveyor Court, Suite 400
Manassas, VA 20100

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