POLL: Draft Ron Paul, indy run? I got 140 signatures today...

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I think the grassroots should push to get him on the ballot in every state. That way, even if he doesn't want to run independent, we have someone we feel we can vote for. Also by doing this, it allows him to stay in the republican race until the convention at which time he could announce that he is running independent. I think it would give the best of both worlds. We can write him in, but as many people have said, it wont be counted right away, if at all. And it sure wont be reported.

I am rather confused by him as of late though, because if the convention was all that mattered to him, you would think he would say it in plain English that he wasn't going to run 3rd party or independent. He has to know about all the people calling for an independent run, so if he was 100% about not doing it, why wouldn't he just say it?

I think he isn't that clear because he's always had an independent bid of some sort in the back of his mind. The most telling case of all was when Russert badgered him for awhile about the third party question on the Meet the Press interview in January. Ron Paul refused to completely rule it out, saying he wanted "wiggle room" on the issue.

Whether or not Ron Paul is more, less, or similarly inclined to run indy now is another question. We can't really know how his feelings have changed on it the past few months. More than anything, however, I think an indy run is contingent upon us. And that's something we know Dr. Paul has held solidly for a long time: We are the revolution. He is part of it, as our spokesman and experienced guide.

If we want Ron Paul to run independent, then nothing will speak louder than actions. Getting him on the ballots as a "best of both worlds" option would do it through our own initiatives. Fighting like hell to get the nominations of the Libertarians and Constitution Party (preferably both!) would also send a strong message. Even bombing Ron Paul's campaign with messages encouraging him to stay in until November, while starting ballot drives, would probably suffice.

Ron Paul is leaving the ball in our court. Proponents of an indy run of any sort must act quick to begin petitioning, collecting ballot signatures, and encouraging our friends in third parties to support Ron Paul over their favorite son candidates otherwise destined for .5% of the vote. We need to get a good site up to do this thing and keep us organized. Let's make it happen!

 

[colecrowe]

I really think we really need to do this, if not for anything else (I mean, I do think he could win it, and at least it would do so much for the movement) --but we need to do it because we have the perfect chance this cycle to establish that something can and should be offered outside of the two party BS structure. Imagine how much better it would be for independent candidates now and in two years and in 2012?

Ron Paul running idy will grow this movement and spread this message 100 times more than it has already (because we were stuck in the worst box--the GOP, which is 80% pro-war, anti-civil liberties, fox-news watching!).

It will expose more people to the message of liberty. And it will motivate and embolden people to fight the two-party system and to think, vote, and run independent.

We should fight. We must fight.

We are letting the movement die.

What can we do? Please lets pledge to fight, and start fighting.

Ron Paul independent for President!

 

[colecrowe]

bump

 

[Madison]

Bump for the Indy run.

 

[Bro.Butch]

New Libertarian Lists Survey (3/5-11/08) shows LP nomination is Ron's for the taking, which would free up money from ballot access to go toward TV ads.

http://small-government-solutions.com/LibertarianListsPage1.html

It wouldn't even be a hard fight !

I think he isn't that clear because he's always had an independent bid of some sort in the back of his mind. The most telling case of all was when Russert badgered him for awhile about the third party question on the Meet the Press interview in January. Ron Paul refused to completely rule it out, saying he wanted "wiggle room" on the issue.

Whether or not Ron Paul is more, less, or similarly inclined to run indy now is another question. We can't really know how his feelings have changed on it the past few months. More than anything, however, I think an indy run is contingent upon us. And that's something we know Dr. Paul has held solidly for a long time: We are the revolution. He is part of it, as our spokesman and experienced guide.

If we want Ron Paul to run independent, then nothing will speak louder than actions. Getting him on the ballots as a "best of both worlds" option would do it through our own initiatives. Fighting like hell to get the nominations of the Libertarians and Constitution Party (preferably both!) would also send a strong message. Even bombing Ron Paul's campaign with messages encouraging him to stay in until November, while starting ballot drives, would probably suffice.

Ron Paul is leaving the ball in our court. Proponents of an indy run of any sort must act quick to begin petitioning, collecting ballot signatures, and encouraging our friends in third parties to support Ron Paul over their favorite son candidates otherwise destined for .5% of the vote. We need to get a good site up to do this thing and keep us organized. Let's make it happen!

 

[SteveMartin]

INDY, RON!!!

2/3ds of your most devoted demand it!

 

[SteveMartin]

Why are we letting 1/3 discourage us??

Listen folks, it is a fact that RP has never said he wouldn't, only that he would be guided by his supporters. That's us!

Get busy.

 

[SteveMartin]

I am going to lay it out now straight from the mouth of someone to whom Ron Paul owes FAR MORE than he owes to Kent Snyder.

Ron Paul was talked into running by KS in order to build a movement, and perhaps to reinvigorate a 501c.3 he was in charge of running. Dr. Paul went along with the plan and was as shocked as anyone when it took off the way it did.

However, at this point, Ron Paul has a moral obligation to those who worked so hard to support him believing he was a serious candidate for the Presidency.

They were never told that their donations, their blood sweat and tears, their jobs, their homes, their livelihoods were all going to some limited "movement building" effort. It is not fraud without an intent to defraud, but the effect on these people was/is the same (at least, as we have shown in this thread, in the minds of 2/3 of his supporters.)

AGAIN RON PAUL HAS A MORAL OBLIGATION TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. It could be argued that he has done what he could, and perhaps even fairly so. It could be argued he fulfills this obligation by remaining in the Republican race. However, without exploring the Independent run, he has inadvertently damaged thousands of people who were deceived. He must run to retain his integrity if it can be shown he can do so while also running for Congress as a Republican.

 

[Aratus]

is plan "B" his staying republican and running in 2012...?

there seems to be two schools of thought. i sorta wonder
if someone around Ron Paul can run this November in his place...
a Rand Paul/Dennis Kucinich ticket might be cool. or even
a Dennis Kucinich/Rand Paul ticket! mcCain might be happy even
if he looses utimately, the whitehouse. i think we need kucinich
on a ballot to pull VERY LIBERAL people away from ralph nader...

 

[SteveMartin]

Paul/Barr or Barr/Paul, and we win (at least if they count the votes.)

 

[SteveMartin]

bump

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

Paul/Barr or Barr/Paul, and we win (at least if they count the votes.)

I'm in favor of a Paul/Barr ticket. Barr brings publicity, gravitas of a longtime politician (a good thing here), and good spokesperson skills. With both the Constitution and Libertarian parties fully behind them, and possibly the Reform party, they could definitely get the 15% poll numbers needed to enter the october debates. That alone would be worth it. Those debates would reach more people than we have reached this entire primary season! A third party run would be absolutely huge for this movement. I'm going to keep doing everything I can to encourage this. Ron has said that he does not intend to run third party, but he has also said repeatedly that he'll listen to the will of his supporters. Please let him know he has our support if he continues his campaign as a third party candidate!

 

[SteveMartin]

And we are not asking him to run third party! We are asking him to run as an INDEPENDENT, and then go after the endorsements of the various 3rd parties.



Still got 2/3 here. Why does the 1/3 strut around on these boards like they think they've won the debate??

 

[SteveMartin]

bump

 

[SteveMartin]

bump

 

[Revolution9]

And we are not asking him to run third party! We are asking him to run as an INDEPENDENT, and then go after the endorsements of the various 3rd parties.



Still got 2/3 here. Why does the 1/3 strut around on these boards like they think they've won the debate??

Because they have.. It is quite simple really. The Revolution occurs at the convention.. You peoples find that so hard to digest like it is made of bulletproof neutronium and no amount of worrywarted stomach acid will put a dent in it.

HTH
Randy

 

[SteveMartin]

They have? lol...1/3 does not win anything.

Ron Paul has a moral imperative to launch a real campaign for the presidency with a real campaign manager.

He owes that to all of us who worked so hard for what we later discovered was some giant database-building operation.

 

[Revolution9]

They have? lol...1/3 does not win anything.

Ron Paul has a moral imperative to launch a real campaign for the presidency with a real campaign manager.

He owes that to all of us who worked so hard for what we later discovered was some giant database-building operation.

Bullshit..to put it quite bluntly. He said NO! last night on Coast to Coast.. He has no obllgations to fulfill your wet dream. Why not back him in what HE has decided. You clowns are part of the derailment contingent we have to continually work against to keep on track with what Dr Paul is doing..

Randy

 

[liberteebell]

Because they have.. It is quite simple really. The Revolution occurs at the convention.. You peoples find that so hard to digest like it is made of bulletproof neutronium and no amount of worrywarted stomach acid will put a dent in it.

HTH
Randy

I don't see this as mutually exclusive. I am, and I intend to continue to work within the republican party. BUT, I'd give anything to see Ron Paul make an independent run.

I am one of the "you peoples" who actually thought we were working with Ron Paul to *peacefully* save our country; I actually believe that this may be our last chance. Things sure are looking pretty grim.

It may be possible to save the republican party but I don't have great hopes for it to happen in this election cycle. It's going to take time if it's going to happen at all. The party of neo-cons needs a serious lesson and in Ron Paul's own words, conservatives need someone to vote for, if for no other reason than to send a very loud message.

I half-jokingly say that I'm going to write Ron Paul in, even if I have to take my sharpie and write his name in big, bold letters on the diebold screen.

A Ron Paul is once in a lifetime. His understanding of and adherence to principle is a near incredible feat. Indeed, I am old enough that I seriously doubt there will be anyone in my lifetime who will come anywhere close to Ron Paul's record. I have children and I'd like them to grow up in what the United States is supposed to be, not some police state, empire building, war-mongering, socialist nightmare.

I have not yet given up hope and desire that his name will be on the ballot in November. My yard is still full of signs, my car covered with bumper stickers and I wear some sort of Ron Paul gear every day. My primary was February 12th.

So for me, our time is now and I don't care a whit about what label Ron Paul runs under. I agree with Steve. Sue me.

 

[Revolution9]

I don't see this as mutually exclusive. I am, and I intend to continue to work within the republican party. BUT, I'd give anything to see Ron Paul make an independent run.

I am one of the "you peoples" who actually thought we were working with Ron Paul to *peacefully* save our country; I actually believe that this may be our last chance. Things sure are looking pretty grim.

It may be possible to save the republican party but I don't have great hopes for it to happen in this election cycle. It's going to take time if it's going to happen at all. The party of neo-cons needs a serious lesson and in Ron Paul's own words, conservatives need someone to vote for, if for no other reason than to send a very loud message.

I half-jokingly say that I'm going to write Ron Paul in, even if I have to take my sharpie and write his name in big, bold letters on the diebold screen.

A Ron Paul is once in a lifetime. His understanding of and adherence to principle is a near incredible feat. Indeed, I am old enough that I seriously doubt there will be anyone in my lifetime who will come anywhere close to Ron Paul's record. I have children and I'd like them to grow up in what the United States is supposed to be, not some police state, empire building, war-mongering, socialist nightmare.

I have not yet given up hope and desire that his name will be on the ballot in November. My yard is still full of signs, my car covered with bumper stickers and I wear some sort of Ron Paul gear every day. My primary was February 12th.

So for me, our time is now and I don't care a whit about what label Ron Paul runs under. I agree with Steve. Sue me.

Ron is running on the Republican ticket. Steganography points to an upset. If you are the same liberteebelle posting at RMN you should be aware of this. Dr Paul was not holding the David and Goliath court card in Newsweek just for shits and giggles. I have been watching and analysing this game for about 30 years now.. There are very serious undercurrents in the background ready to erupt on the world stage. When Swiss bankers pick RP for Pres then you know something serious is occurring.. If you pay attention to international spheres of influence and forget the US Powers that Were. Also Ben Fulford and the Chinese secret societies are putting the serious clamp on the illuminati clowns currently.

Ron will not win if he goes independent. There is not one indicator that can be brought forward that points in this direction. McCain would LOVE for him to run independent. He then steamrolls all of our hard work in the delegate phase of this operation. So we get hundreds and hundreds of delegates by stealth and other means to the convention. No RP there.. Then fucking what.. masturbate all over the McCain delegates? Great strategy..

Randy