POLL: 65% of Gun Owners Say They Won’t Vote for Pres. Trump Over “Red Flags”

[Occam's Banana]

This is a red line for me too, I hope this turns out to be a lot of talk to look "reasonable" [...]

Looking "reasonable" isn't doing us any favors. It's that "Overton Window" thing ...

Given his talk, the question now isn't "will this be bad?" It's "how bad will this be?"

 

[Swordsmyth]

Looking "reasonable" isn't doing us any favors. It's that "Overton Window" thing ...

Given his talk, the question now isn't "will this be bad?" It's "how bad will this be?"

I agree.

Even if nothing passes he has hurt the overton window just like with the bumpstock ban.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Then leave the GOP fuckers! This is pretty easy.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

This is a bad, bad move, both by Trump and people like Dan Crenshaw. Let this blow over and die on the vine, no one will hold it against them.

 

[Gumba of Liberty]

More non-compliance, for one thing.

But this isn't math. There is no "exactly."

Things are too contingent for anything but general prescriptions. For example, note that I said, "There won't be any libertarian 'revolution' (peaceful or otherwise) unless and until enough people start [blah-blah-blah-ing]" [emphasis added]. I can't even tell you how many people will be "enough." No one can. There are too many other particulars that can and will vary from one time and/or place to another. Under one set of circumstances, even a majority might not be adequate, if it is too slight. But under other circumstances, less than a plurality might suffice. Hell, even just a relatively very few people might be "enough," if they are in the right positions at the right time and act in concert. It all depends ...

But playing the system's game by the system's rules (e.g., by voting) and then compliantly accepting and respecting the results will certainly fail to accomplish any substantial change of a libertarian nature ...

I agree, we don’t need to vote harder and we don’t need a revolution, we need an American Renaissance! We need to educate and inspire the people to love liberty before this whole thing comes crashing down. Up here in North Jersey (behind enemy lines) and Eastern PA we are changing the game and incentivizing people to give freedom a chance (by cutting the state out of American life!). Please check us out and spread the word if you live in the Northeast. We will be coming to a State or Commonwealth near you: sonsoflibertyso.com/pdc

If you live in the area, we will have a booth at Vets Summer Fest at Vasa Park in Budd Lake, NJ today and Blairstown Day (NJ) tomorrow. We’d love to see any of our RPF brothers and sisters there if you can make it!! Have a good one guys and stay strong - there’s is nothing better than fighting for good when the odds are stacked against you!

 

[jmdrake]

Thats great news . Guess they will be voting for bernie .

Or vote 3rd party....or write in Ron Paul...or not vote....or...

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

More non-compliance, for one thing.

But this isn't math. There is no "exactly."

Things are too contingent for anything but general prescriptions. For example, note that I said, "There won't be any libertarian 'revolution' (peaceful or otherwise) unless and until enough people start [blah-blah-blah-ing]" [emphasis added]. I can't even tell you how many people will be "enough." No one can. There are too many other particulars that can and will vary from one time and/or place to another. Under one set of circumstances, even a majority might not be adequate, if it is too slight. But under other circumstances, less than a plurality might suffice. Hell, even just a relatively very few people might be "enough," if they are in the right positions at the right time and act in concert. It all depends ...

But playing the system's game by the system's rules (e.g., by voting) and then compliantly accepting and respecting the results will certainly fail to accomplish any substantial change of a libertarian nature ...

Sorry, 'exactly' was a poor choice of words. What I meant was: what action would it take for more effective pushback? It sounds like what you are talking about are thoughts in this book I was looking at:
https://www.amazon.com/Citizen-slave-Understanding-American-Sovereign/dp/0805998780

Citizen/Slave, “Understanding the American Sovereign Spirit” is a treatise that describes with acute accuracy what freedom, liberty and justice really means, how the American people have been tricked out of their sovereignty by stealthy legal illusions, and how the people can repair America by regaining control of their individual unalienable rights.

Citizen/Slave explains the problems in detail, how they evolved, how they became erroneously accepted by the people, what the legal illusions and realities are, and what the American people can do to save their individual sovereignty and country, thereby creating a totally free and prosperous society with safe guards that can never be corrupted again.

Sprinkled liberally throughout this book are quotes from numerous well-known personages from history which remind us of immutable principles that have been overlooked in our fast pace modern world.

Citizen/Slave puts together the pieces of the puzzle for understanding the long forgotten common sense principles of creating justice, and why governments and societies either succeed or fail. Without these organized foundational principles, like a boat without a rudder, societies and governments will waffle in the uncertain tides of confusion and injustice that has been the downfall of every great society.

Citizen/Slave is a “must read” for all people young and old, lay people and professionals, students and professors alike. Understanding the principles expounded in Citizen/Slave are as important to the freedoms, liberties and justice of people, as reading, writing and math is to functioning in the modern world. Citizen/Slave is a simple roadmap for catapulting society into the next step of human evolution

I'm reading through some of it now, and he discusses the dichotomy of state sovereignty vs laws that apply to the DC government only. Also, how many statutes are uncsontitutional and how most Americans should exercise noncompliance. Here are some page previews:

https://books.google.com/books?id=DW2kBgAAQBAJ&pg=PT6&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[oyarde]

Or vote 3rd party....or write in Ron Paul...or not vote....or...

I have bee voting for Pauls so long last time I wrote me in . Going with that again.