POLITICO: Ron Paul aides ponder ‘frustrating’ race

[Guzabuza]

To give you people some perspective on this from a foreigners point of view. Even in my home country ex- communist turned socialist Croatia when we vote there isn't even 5 % of this bullshit of missing votes, machine counting (serious wtf?), caucuses being closed because of snow and votes re-counted 35343 times. Now i am talking about NATIONAL election where millions of people vote and not 20,000 votes where it takes your leaders 1 week to do the counting. In Sweden (have dual citizenship) there is not even 1 % of this bs when national elections are held with over 6 million people voting on the same damn day and ALL votes are counted OPENLY at the same frigging day in the time frame of 24 hours.

But somehow United states of America with 15 trillion $ of GDP, that has 5000 nukes, has sent people to the moon but is not able to count the votes of some 20000? caucuses voters in Nevada under 72 hours ? Me and my friend could count faster AND do it correctly without having to re-count 55 times.

5000 miles away from you and i can smell the fraud sooo badly. Now not taking into consideration your fascist media outlets either, they should all be trialed for treason.

But for all you non- believers keep the spirit up, 2016 or 2020 is DEFINITELY gonna be yours because by that time the economy will be in such a dire state that even the warmongers will vote for a peace candidate.

 

[AlexAmore]

Two people in my precinct went to a rally and didn't vote. One went to two rallies. Both didn't get registered to vote in time despite repeated reminders and offers to drive them to the elections office myself. It was extremely frustrating and when I see those people I want to ask them "WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?", but this is just the reality of getting people to actually vote. When push comes to shove most people just don't put the work in and I'm not sure what we can do to change that.

There is no (large scale) voter fraud, just voter apathy.

There doesn't have to be large scale voter fraud. It just has to be in the beginning to stop any momentum.

Why do we have wide spread apathy? Because that's a cultural attribute and therefore can attributed to how we are raised. Other cultures are not apathetic at all in their rituals. So look at the things we do and take part within our childhood and adolescence.

Public education is just a government-run brainwashing center as far as I'm concerned. Doesn't teach our children anything regarding financial responsibility so we become poor, dependent, and disempowered. Parents are disillusioned thinking that since government runs it, then it's a complete education.

Our parents grew up without the internet and therefore only got what the mainstream media was vomiting out. Then those parents raised us with the same apathetic attitude to anything outside their immediate day to day life and shockingly the young adults of today are apathetic too.

We need to understand the root cause of all this, and how we got here so that we can see where we're going, and nip it in bud.

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[alucard13mmfmj]

To give you people some perspective on this from a foreigners point of view. Even in my home country ex- communist turned socialist Croatia there isn't even 5 % of this bullshit of missing votes, machine counting (serious wtf?), caucuses being closed because of snow and votes re-counted 35343 times and then still showing some weird results. Now i am talking about NATIONAL election where millions of people vote and not 20,000 votes where it takes your leaders 1 week to do the counting. In Sweden (have dual citizenship) there is not even 1 % of this bs when national elections are held with over 6 million people voting on the same damn day and ALL votes are counted OPENLY at the same frigging day in the time frame of 24 hours.

But somehow United states of America with 15 trillion $ of GDP, that has 5000 nukes, has sent people to the moon but is not able to count the votes of some 20000? caucuses voters in Nevada under 72 hours ? Me and my friend could count faster then than AND do it correctly without having to re-count 55 times.

5000 miles away from you and i can smell the fraud sooo badly. Now not taking into consideration your fascist media outlets either, they should all be trialed for treason.

But for all you non- believers keep the spirit up, 2016 or 2020 is DEFINITELY gonna be yours because by that time the economy will be in such a dire state that even the warmongers will vote for a peace candidate.

Not to mention that they immediately shred and destroy the ballots right after they are counted... so there is no paper trail.

I think the problem with Super Tuesday was that the first states to vote on that day and closes their polls will influence the states that dont vote until later in the day. Like results from Virginia and Georgia would affect the final outcome in Alaska. If you were a softcore Ron Paul voter... and you saw that Ron lost the other 9 states earlier in the day... you would switch to Romney or Santorum. That is why we got f**ked.

We and the campaign made a horrible miscalculation. We shouldve focused on states that voted first... because the results of those states will alter the outcome of the later states on the same day. I should make a thread about this later =s.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Well many here realized this long ago. Young people DO NOT vote.

Sounds like the campaign isn't going to stop targeting young people though. It's a shame that we could have won all of those states that the campaign secretly expected to win. Could have been the frontrunner for the nomination by now.

The campaign targeted not young people in IA, NH, SC, NV, CO, MN and WA. Yet we lost, even though the campaign focused almost all of it's efforts in those states on old people. It seems that no matter how much the campaign targets old people (that is the main focus on the campaign, without a doubt), old people don't vote for Paul. Will the campaign continue to but almost all of it's efforts into old people? I don't know but my guess is yes.

 

[Liberty74]

I think we all are

No confused here. I guess people keep ignoring my posts so I'll repeat it again.

Your strategy of going after the youth vote only and concentrating on Indys and Democrat votes will not win you the nomination. I have been yelling that well before Iowa. We are running for the Republican nod. Those that vote are the old people - 65 and older make up about 35% of the voters compared to about 10% for the 18-29 crowd. Even if Ron won 100% of the youth vote, he still loses.

People, it's basic math.

 

[WilliamC]

To give you people some perspective on this from a foreigners point of view. Even in my home country ex- communist turned socialist Croatia when we vote there isn't even 5 % of this bullshit of missing votes, machine counting (serious wtf?), caucuses being closed because of snow and votes re-counted 35343 times. Now i am talking about NATIONAL election where millions of people vote and not 20,000 votes where it takes your leaders 1 week to do the counting. In Sweden (have dual citizenship) there is not even 1 % of this bs when national elections are held with over 6 million people voting on the same damn day and ALL votes are counted OPENLY at the same frigging day in the time frame of 24 hours.

But somehow United states of America with 15 trillion $ of GDP, that has 5000 nukes, has sent people to the moon but is not able to count the votes of some 20000? caucuses voters in Nevada under 72 hours ? Me and my friend could count faster AND do it correctly without having to re-count 55 times.

5000 miles away from you and i can smell the fraud sooo badly. Now not taking into consideration your fascist media outlets either, they should all be trialed for treason.

But for all you non- believers keep the spirit up, 2016 or 2020 is DEFINITELY gonna be yours because by that time the economy will be in such a dire state that even the warmongers will vote for a peace candidate.

This.

Transparent, honest, rapid, and fully vetted vote tabulating, with a permanent paper record, is so easy to do that the fact it isn't being done is evidence enough for fraud.

 

[Travlyr]

No confused here. I guess people keep ignoring my posts so I'll repeat it again.

Your strategy of going after the youth vote only and concentrating on Indys and Democrat votes will not win you the nomination. I have been yelling that well before Iowa. We are running for the Republican nod. Those that vote are the old people - 65 and older make up about 35% of the voters compared to about 10% for the 18-29 crowd. Even if Ron won 100% of the youth vote, he still loses.

People, it's basic math.

Basic Math: 2+2= 36% for Romney, 30% for Santorum, 23% for Gingrich, and Ron Paul hit his ceiling at 11% no matter how big the crowds are that he draws.

 

[opinionatedfool]

BOISE, Idaho — Ron Paul’s top strategists are confused and frustrated that the wild enthusiasm they see at their campaign rallies and events is not translating into votes.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73746.html

Umm... hello, its called election fraud!

 

[speciallyblend]

We lost Maine, Washington, North Dakota, Alaska and Virginia when we lost Iowa on January 3rd. No Social Security ads or National Defense ads + failure to push back hard against racism charges opened up an opportunity for Santorum in Iowa. From then on the dominoes started falling.

cannot wait to hear you say we lost alaska,colorado,maine,nevada when we have more delegates. how can you lose a state if you have over 51% of the delegates just curious? I assume your going off the useless straw polls at caucuses and the media! I suggest waiting until the state convention is done before you say win or lose.

i have my ups and downs but man i see some wins coming from media jumping the gun

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Yeah, I don't get this. Pretending like they can just change the "young people" dynamic is delusional. And it wasn't just the voters. All the campaign staff in my state were fresh out of college and from out of state. They were nice people, but not very detail oriented and they never showed up either. When they did, they hurt us, more than they helped (other than bringing campaign materials). Enthusiasm is not what this campaign needs more of. Experienced people with connections are what help us the most.

All that being said though, and unlike in '08, I feel that it was more the grassroots that let the movement down, whereas the official campaign (despite a few missteps) was mostly on its game. I laugh at people who think that we can win this country back through a revolution when we can't even get people to show up for their caucus.

Have you ever had any experience in political science or in running any campaign? I thought not. Because if you did, you would know that there is a method to the madness. They aren't targeting young people because of their ideological belief in the future of the nation. They are targeting young people (and again, not ONLY young people) because it's a numbers game. Statistically, you have a better chance of getting a young Ron Paul supporter to go to the polls than you have of changing one stubborn old person's mind into voting. Even if they are convinced, they may be too old or impaired to even go.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I know for a fact that over 50% of the voters we ID'd in Washington didn't vote (not all of which were young people by the way, thought the majority were), but when I point this out I get attacked for not embracing the delusional conspiracy theory vote fraud mindset that is so pervasive here. Get out there and actually canvas and call people and you will see most people don't support Paul, and of those who do most don't show up to vote. It's reality, and we all need to accept it if we want this movement to go anywhere. Screaming vote fraud is just an excuse so you can feel good about not having done anything to ID voters, because anyone who has been involved in voter ID in their precinct knows the truth. Most don't show up, end of story.

Mathematical proof, man. Statistical proof. It's there. There's a thread on it here that absolutely proves that there was vote fraud. This is not a theory. This is real. The election was stolen. Ron Paul isn't hurt by the "people don't vote" meme any more than other candidates. Wake up. The elections are blatantly being stolen and you are putting your head in the sand like I'm sure you did in 2000 in Florida. No big deal, you thought to yourself, right? Now it affects you. What are you going to do about it?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

It is not the campaigns fault, though I'm sure they could have done things better in retrospect. I place the blame on the media for their blackouts and biased reporting, the GOP establishment for rallying against Ron, and most of all the voters for not embracing the ideas of liberty (though who could blame them after the heavy indoctrination we have all received from the government for our whole lives). However, there is no solid evidence of voter fraud.

You're kidding, right? You saw Maine. That was the shadiest shit I've ever seen and it ALL pointed to Ron Paul suffering and Romney gaining. A count was called in from one precinct and they were told that they already had the count for that precinct and Mitt Romney was winning when they knew for a fact that the real count had Ron Paul winning. There is so much evidence it is not even funny. Have you seen the thread on algorithmic vote flipping? This has happened in almost every state. There is absolutely no statistical chance according to that thread that vote fraud didn't occur. It most certainly did, and there is an abundance of evidence. How can you not see this? How can you even say there is no solid evidence?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

+ rep. I'm so tired of the conspiracy mindset of many people here. It is very frustrating to hear almost everything that has happened over the past 8 years blamed on some elaborate conspiracy against Ron Paul.

As I've said before, people need to realize our situation and accept the truth so we can better understand to proceed. As Ron Paul says about the economy and foreign policy, we have to understand why we are in this mess to fix it. Not using logic and reason to approach our situation isn't helping our cause.

What about when reason and logic lead you to conclude something that is "insane" according to logical and reasonable people like yourself? What do you conclude then? That you must be mistaken? We have absolute proof of algorithmic vote flipping. Just check out the thread on algorithmic vote flipping. Search that term and read the information there. It is irrefutable and nobody has done so yet.

 

[GraspingForPeace]

You're kidding, right? You saw Maine. That was the shadiest shit I've ever seen and it ALL pointed to Ron Paul suffering and Romney gaining. A count was called in from one precinct and they were told that they already had the count for that precinct and Mitt Romney was winning when they knew for a fact that the real count had Ron Paul winning. There is so much evidence it is not even funny. Have you seen the thread on algorithmic vote flipping? This has happened in almost every state. There is absolutely no statistical chance according to that thread that vote fraud didn't occur. It most certainly did, and there is an abundance of evidence. How can you not see this? How can you even say there is no solid evidence?

Yes, a whole thread based on the assumption that demographics don't vary across counties and precincts.

 

[tbone717]

Mathematical proof, man. Statistical proof. It's there. There's a thread on it here that absolutely proves that there was vote fraud. This is not a theory. This is real. The election was stolen.

Election fraud is a crime. If there is indeed credible evidence of election fraud, then the people who have the evidence need to contact a lawyer and file suit with the state Attorney General's office.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

He won the Iowa caucus and built momentum. I and most other realists knew it was over when we took 3rd in Iowa. The campaign killed itself afterwards when it didn't put enough effort into South Carolina. Maine was the last hope and instead of planting Ron up there and having him go to every caucus they just kind of thought it was in the bag and then it ended up being really close and the Maine GOP screwed us over. Oh well, it was never about winning for me in 2008 and it wasn't this year either. Ron is doing a great job of spreading the message and building a base for the liberty movement.

You must realize that they were going to steal the election from us whether it was close or not, in reality. The campaign didn't kill itself. It was killed by the establishment. I don't know any other way to say it, folks. It's a big, bad, dark conspiracy theory and it's supported by facts *gasp*.

 

[Guzabuza]

Yes, a whole thread based on the assumption that demographics don't vary across counties and precincts.

they showed that demographics has nothing to do with it. Same thing happened in 2008 again only with Romney but also Mccain. How come the other candidates in 2008/12 did not / do not show similar deviation as Romney did both in 2008 and 2012?

Matter of fact, it is not even about Ron Paul, its about: why is Romney the only one that is showing this weird deviation from the rest of the pack. Surely he can't be the only one out of 4 candidates in 2012 and one out of 5-6 in 2008 that always benefits from "demographics" ?????

 

[HigherVision]

I can't shake this feeling that the young people at the rallies are just showing up and going "Wooo!" like the audience of the Daily Show and shit like that and then not following through and actually voting because it's not as exciting. I might be totally wrong about that but it's my suspicion.

 

[phil4truth]

I have never once suggested Dr Paul runs as a third party candidate but I am now. He has been defrauded out of votes since 08, they treat him and his supporters like dirt, they kept him from the convention in 08, its time for him to go out in a blaze of glory, if even for his own self respect.

Only Ron Paul can keep Obama out of the Whitehouse for a second term.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Please do - we need to talk about this and maybe one of his advisers will take note and correct things...

-t

Please. Bushlied doesn't know better than Ron's advertisers. If he does, then the advertisers are severely incompetent. Bushlied would probably agree, but the problem is that he is even more incompetent. We are just making accusations and playing the blame game, not "correcting" things. People don't understand the strategy even though it is a good one, so they make up some excuse for why it was a bad strategy and they tell everyone because they are mad and frustrated and want to take it out on the campaign and Jesse Benton and whomever else is responsible for running such a professional campaign because they are jealous and bitter that Ron didn't win so they have to take it out on those in positions where they can have an effect on the race.

I've got bad news for you. Sometimes, no matter how good you are, you just can't win because people plain don't want to vote for you. Some people, no matter how well you "package" the message or address the issues, just won't agree with you. There are people that just don't agree with Ron Paul's policies, you know. Some of them are just incorrigible. What's more, you all seem to be forgetting about the rampant vote fraud that has now been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Only an ignorant person would now try to push the "vote fraud is a crazy conspiracy" meme. Wake up. It's been happening for a long time, since long before it happened to Ron Paul. Why do you think authoritarian governments all over the world use it, and yet our country is somehow immune to this corruption? What justification do you have for saying places like Russia are obviously cheaters, but the people in the US would never do something like that? That's complete and pure horseshit.

I have had it with people who stick their heads in the sand and blame the campaign. I am done being polite about it. You are all crazy if you believe that this election wasn't stolen and that you think some random dude on the internet can come up with a strategy that is far more effective than that of a panel of experts hired for the specific reason that they knew how to win elections. You're just crazy if you believe that.