Politico: "Rand Paul has persuaded the president that we are not for regime change in Iran"

[juleswin]

Being able to buy insurance across state lines, in large associations and repealing the Obamacare mandate isn't tangible enough that Rand does in fact influence Trump on a policy level?

I don't expect a win on every single libertarian issue, let's be realistic. Headlines like these would've been coveted at the height of this movement, suddenly, its just not enough and more tangible victories are needed.

Lol, purist libertarianism is insufferable. We're lucky to have someone both idealistic and realistic like Rand.

WTF man? the cool kids around here think I am a communist and you dare call me a libertarian and a purist at that.

But no, my post was talking about foreign policy not domestic ones. But why am I not excited about those healthcare victories? for one, I think they are very small and/or bordering on insignificant ones. Obamacare was not repealed, the insurance companies are still forced to abide by many of the rules of Obamacare without benefiting from the many customers the mandate would naturally bring in. When they uphold their side of the bargain and the govt does not, they can easily win a lawsuit against the govt for breach of contract. Most likely it wouldn't even come to that, they would most likely to be bailed out with tax payers money. This is why I say the mandate repeal is a small deal.

Again, talking about tangible foreign policy gains.

 

[juleswin]

Bullsh1t. Never happened.

He said something like that during the elections.

 

[juleswin]

You are not a very good guesser it seems. Don't worry about buying anything that I am not selling, that no problem.

Trump keeps all kinds of company, not just neocons. Trump keeps company with Rand Paul... does that make him a libertarian magically as well?

Trump has an evangelical Vice President... does that make him a bible thumper too?

Is Jim Mattis a neocon? Is Ben Carson a neocon?

What I see is Trump hiring Republicans experienced at high level positions. I don't see him replicating Bush.

Are you of the opinion that Trump is acting like neocon as President?

Mike Pence is an evangelical neocon, and what about Ben Carson? The foreign policy guys he keeps company with are exclusively neocons zionists and war mongers. I am sure the Secretary of education or interior or labour etc are not necessarily neocon cos they do not have to. But with his foreign policy guys, his company is majority neocons.

He talks to Rand every once in a while, I wouldn't consider that keeping company with Rand. Case in point, to date, Rand has yet to talk Trump out of any neocon actions.

 

[nikcers]

Mike Pence is an evangelical neocon, and what about Ben Carson? The foreign policy guys he keeps company with are exclusively neocons zionists and war mongers. I am sure the Secretary of education or interior or labour etc are not necessarily neocon cos they do not have to. But with his foreign policy guys, his company is majority neocons.

He talks to Rand every once in a while, I wouldn't consider that keeping company with Rand. Case in point, to date, Rand has yet to talk Trump out of any neocon actions.

There haven't been any new Middle East wars

 

[Cleaner44]

Mike Pence is an evangelical neocon, and what about Ben Carson? The foreign policy guys he keeps company with are exclusively neocons zionists and war mongers. I am sure the Secretary of education or interior or labour etc are not necessarily neocon cos they do not have to. But with his foreign policy guys, his company is majority neocons.

He talks to Rand every once in a while, I wouldn't consider that keeping company with Rand. Case in point, to date, Rand has yet to talk Trump out of any neocon actions.

So you are you of the opinion that Trump is acting like neocon as President?

 

[juleswin]

So you are you of the opinion that Trump is acting like neocon as President?

Yes, finally someone gets what I am have been saying for years now. Just like Obama and Bush, Trump's foreign is in line with the neocons.

 

[juleswin]

There haven't been any new Middle East wars

And?

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

He said something like that during the elections.

Still bullsht. That never happened.

 

[Krugminator2]

Yes, finally someone gets what I am have been saying for years now. Just like Obama and Bush, Trump's foreign is in line with the neocons.

Why would the neocons hate a person with their foreign policy? Last I checked, he didn't do much with Syria. The sanctions from Russia were basically forced by a unanimous Congress vote. He is brokering peace in North Korea. He did break up the Iran Deal.

Trump has generally good instincts on foreign policy and on balance isn't doing much wrong. Saying Trump's foreign policy is anything like Bush's is factually wrong. There is plenty to say about Trump but that he is like Bush on foreign policy is indisputably incorrect.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Yes, finally someone gets what I am have been saying for years now. Just like Obama and Bush, Trump's foreign is in line with the neocons.

You would be wise to practice restraint when discussing the MAGA.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Rand has yet to talk Trump out of any neocon actions.

How would you know?
We can't exactly give you a list of things that didn't happen, if we tried you would just dismiss it.

 

[RonPaulMall]

How would you know?
We can't exactly give you a list of things that didn't happen, if we tried you would just dismiss it.

Very true. If the Neocons had their way, we would be actively fighting Syria in Syria (rather than just squatting on part of their territory). Be in a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine, and have invaded Iran and North Korea already. That would be our reality if Hillary had won.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Very true. If the Neocons had their way, we would be actively fighting Syria in Syria (rather than just squatting on part of their territory). Be in a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine, and have invaded Iran and North Korea already. That would be our reality if Hillary had won.

It might have happened if Rand didn't influence Trump but it is impossible to prove that, I for one am grateful that Rand decided to play "good cop" so that Trump would listen to him.

 

[timosman]

It might have happened if Rand didn't influence Trump but it is impossible to prove that, I for one am grateful that Rand decided to play "good cop" so that Trump would listen to him.

It's funny to see so many people affected by TDS while Rand is carrying Trump's letters to Moscow.

 

[juleswin]

Very true. If the Neocons had their way, we would be actively fighting Syria in Syria (rather than just squatting on part of their territory). Be in a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine, and have invaded Iran and North Korea already. That would be our reality if Hillary had won.

The US officially started occupying Syrian land not during the neocon Obama' admin but during Trump's. Remember neocon Bush planned on occupying 7 countries in 5 years but the plan ran into some resistance. Even though they would like to occupy every country in the world, they can only do so much with the resistance they are facing.

I cannot foresee Hillary doing much worse than Trump in terms of foreign policy.

 

[angelatc]

The US officially started occupying Syrian land not during the neocon Obama' admin but during Trump's. .

Go back to your own world where your imaginary friends think you're something special in a good way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/us/politics/us-adds-200-troops-syria-isis.html

U.S. to Send 200 More Troops to Syria

The United States is sending 200 additional troops to Syria, nearly doubling the Pentagon’s presence there, to help thousands of Kurdish and Arab fighters massing for an assault on the Islamic State’s stronghold of Raqqa, Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter said here on Saturday.

 

[timosman]

I cannot foresee Hillary doing much worse than Trump in terms of foreign policy.

I can not foresee anybody being more deranged. Sorry r3v3.0 and aratus.

 

[angelatc]

Very true. If the Neocons had their way, we would be actively fighting Syria in Syria (rather than just squatting on part of their territory). Be in a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine, and have invaded Iran and North Korea already. That would be our reality if Hillary had won.

This. We'd be at war with Russia over Ukraine and also because they're allied with Syria.

 

[juleswin]

Go back to your own world where your imaginary friends think you're something special in a good way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/us/politics/us-adds-200-troops-syria-isis.html

We have troops in Somalia but we aren't officially occupying it. What I mean by occupation is what is going on east of the Euphrates were we have troops and military bases and have officially told the Syrian govt that they cannot go east of the river.

This started under Trump and not Obama.

 

[angelatc]

You would be wise to practice restraint when discussing the MAGA.

I'll take "Things Neocons Would Never Say For $1000," Alex:

What is:

“I want to get out,” Trump said. “I want to bring our troops back home. I want to start rebuilding our nation.”