POLITICO: Ron Paul aides ponder ‘frustrating’ race

[azxd]

You keep saying that. The young people at Paul's Rallys DO VOTE. There just aren't enough of them. When you have a rally of 3000 people and it takes 40,000 votes to win you don't have enough votes.

The young people who DON'T go to a Paul rally aren't voting for him ... but the OLD PEOPLE who don't go to a Paul rally aren't voting for him either.

Some people look for excuses everywhere except their own backyard

 

[parocks]

This is what scares me. Arent a lot of these older 65+ voters the same people who voted for Barry Goldwater 48 years ago as 18-30 year olds? What's our hopes for keeping this generation of youth on board with the freedom movement?

Certainly the Internet is favorable for us. Hopefully that makes the difference. The information age should favor the truth (aka freedom).

Or use the time to develop a GOTV strategy that works. Ending the Fed is really something that the Fed doesn't want. So, there's that.

I wanted a popular vote win by now. Don't forget that Ron Paul is 76 (77?), too. People in their early 70s, who might be starting to lose their minds a little bit, might be a little bit wary of a candidate older than them. It hasn't been talked about much, but that might be a factor as well. Rand isn't far off from Ron on policy. Senator is better than US Rep. And Rand isn't Ron's age. The problem isn't that old people don't like R(evol)ution. There are specifics at hand as well.

 

[azxd]

$30 million dollars, and the campaign can't put together a few ads destroying the MSM? Showing/exposing them for the lies they tell?

I understand the people are brainwashed, but you have to go to those people with the truth...we are battling YEARS of lies/propaganda, and the campaign does us no good by avoiding the shows, and at least getting SOME truth out.
If this is about the "message" why would you turn down the biggest "news" show there is, simply because you can't/don't prepare for the idiot questions? RP must learn to ignore stupid questions, and I think the last few debates he improved greatly, and even in some of the interviews he has been doing...but this was needed months ago (see last year), not now.

A semblance of truth, rather than excuses

The campaign is running against three guys, but the reality is ... Ron is running against the MSM ... They, for whatever reason, can't seem to figure this out.

 

[parocks]

I agree with this but I put most of the blame for old people being scared of Ron on the media. If he had been treated even remotely fairly and had his balanced budget talked about rather than a bunch of "kooky" "crazy" "scary" comments from oreilly and friends then I really think we would be walking away with the nomination right now. Ron was freaking winning Iowa even in spite of all the marginalization from the media. Then they felt threatened by his success and went after him relentlessly with the newsletter crap and very thin else they could possibly throw at him. Sadly it was enough to knock him into 3rd. But even after that he was polling decent in south Carolina until the media pounced all over his golden rule response at the south Carolina debate.

Hopefully the Internet will continue to gain market share over tv and we'll be able to actually start shrinking government sooner rather than later.

Well, Ron Paul wants to End The Fed. That doesn't sit well with The Fed. Global Socialists / NWO / Rothschild / etc. So, yeah, they don't want Ron Paul to win.
They're powerful. They're using some of their bag of tricks to hurt Ron Paul. I would think we could win one. Now, I dunno.

 

[WD-NY]

Walking around money. gotv money. street money. money on the ground that gets people to the polls.

It's a failure of GOTV. We need to beef up the GOTV. I'm not sure that a web widget would help that much, but it certainly couldn't hurt.

What shocks me is that we can go into a state, know that there's 50K students at a school, a number that could win the election for Ron Paul, all by themselves, and no special effort is made to get those people to the polls.

It's as if the official campaign has never done GOTV before.

Why do these people have to show up at the polls?? Why couldn't our GOTV strategy include "absentee ballots"?? Just set up tables at colleges during the months leading up to the election and help everyone get their vote in BEFORE election day??

 

[azxd]

Reality = Ron Paul versus the MSM/Establishment.

Those other guys are support structure which they prop up as they attack RP.

He got it right ... They say he's dangerous.

 

[parocks]

A semblance of truth, rather than excuses

The campaign is running against three guys, but the reality is ... Ron is running against the MSM ... They, for whatever reason, can't seem to figure this out.

Ron Paul is running against more than the MSM. Ron Paul is running against The Fed, Global Socialists, NWO, One World Goverment, Goldman Sachs, Rothschild, Bilderberg. And almost everything Ron Paul wants is completely unacceptable to them. The MSM is their mouthpiece. If Ron Paul wants to do something fresh, he should target the MSM, but even more so, The Fed, Global Socialism, NWO, One World Goverment, Goldman Sachs, Rothschild, Bilderberg, just let it fly, non stop.

Because we have heard the whole "slash the military, end all wars stuff", but not the other stuff. We heard more about that stuff back in 2007.

 

[parocks]

Why do these people have to show up at the polls?? Why couldn't our GOTV strategy include "absentee ballots"?? Just set up tables at colleges during the months leading up to the election and help everyone get their vote in BEFORE election day??

Agree. Yes, early voting / absentee at colleges is something that should be done where applicable.

 

[WD-NY]

Ron Paul's position on Gay Marriage is not to the liking of Evangelicals. Santorum has the preferred position there. Leaving aside Foreign Policy / Israel.

I agree - I didn't mean Ron should change his position, I meant that he should've made an effort to educate the evangelicals about how theocons like Santorum (and many other politicians) are really just playing them for fools... that they've never actually done anything on the "social issues" and won't do anything because they depend on being able to work you into a frothy rage over a few wedge issues ever 2/4 years...

Ron could've delivered a big speech on the need for a shift from this sort of abuse of the evangelical voter... but instead of delivering targeted speeches to targeted voting blocks... he delivered the same basic stump speech to every crowd he spoke to (from Iowa to Washington)...

And that's total bullshit imo.

 

[parocks]

I agree - I didn't mean Ron should change his position, I meant that he should've made an effort to educate the evangelicals about how theocons like Santorum (and many other politicians) are really just playing them for fools... that they've never actually done anything on the "social issues" and won't do anything because they depend on being able to work you into a frothy rage over a few wedge issues ever 2/4 years...

Ron could've delivered a big speech on the need for a shift from this sort of abuse of the evangelical voter... but instead of delivering targeted speeches to targeted voting blocks... he delivered the same basic stump speech to every crowd he spoke to (from Iowa to Washington)...

And that's total bullshit imo.

It's not a bad idea to customize your message for different audiences.

 

[svobody]

If the campaign is going to continue, I want to see scorched earth. I want withering attacks on Romney and Santorum, I want media grabbing criticisms of their horrific policy prescriptions, I want to see some aggression. Go for broke, try to make something happen, catch lightening in a bottle, but they can't keep doing what they've been doing.

 

[jcarcinogen]

Young People turn out to vote in New Zealand. Dunno what's wrong with American youth.

How about holding the Rally's during Caucus Day?

How about applying for head of the campaign since you know it all. Typical Randian, am I right???

Motherfuckin hypocrite, what if someone else gave you passive aggressive advice to you like you give unto others?

 

[tttppp]

$30 million dollars, and the campaign can't put together a few ads destroying the MSM? Showing/exposing them for the lies they tell?

I understand the people are brainwashed, but you have to go to those people with the truth...we are battling YEARS of lies/propaganda, and the campaign does us no good by avoiding the shows, and at least getting SOME truth out.
If this is about the "message" why would you turn down the biggest "news" show there is, simply because you can't/don't prepare for the idiot questions? RP must learn to ignore stupid questions, and I think the last few debates he improved greatly, and even in some of the interviews he has been doing...but this was needed months ago (see last year), not now.

Thats an up hill battle though. He's got to waste all his money combating all the bs people hear in the media. The other candidates don't have to do this. They can basically run a free campaign and just live off the publicity if they wanted to.

Even if Ron Paul did everything you want him to do in his ads, the media can simply critique his ads and bash him for some bs reasons, and most people will take the media's side because they are stupid.

Also, if he didn't run any attack ads, nobody would hear the truth about the other candidates who are being pumped up by the media.

That all said, he's doing something right. You got to give him credit for that. He's getting huge support, his votes just are not being counted.

 

[coffeewithchess]

Ron Paul is running against more than the MSM. Ron Paul is running against The Fed, Global Socialists, NWO, One World Goverment, Goldman Sachs, Rothschild, Bilderberg. And almost everything Ron Paul wants is completely unacceptable to them. The MSM is their mouthpiece. If Ron Paul wants to do something fresh, he should target the MSM, but even more so, The Fed, Global Socialism, NWO, One World Goverment, Goldman Sachs, Rothschild, Bilderberg, just let it fly, non stop.

Because we have heard the whole "slash the military, end all wars stuff", but not the other stuff. We heard more about that stuff back in 2007.

Newt attacks the media to their faces, and gets applause in the debates.
Jon Stewart shows the media's stupidity, and makes millions...

The campaign complains about media coverage (rightly so), but ignores media requests (bad choice IMO).

If the MSM is the mouthpiece for these organizations, the best way to wake up more people could be to attack the mouthpiece. When the MSM loses credibility, that has a net gain on many fronts...people become more willing to watch YouTube videos, read articles, and perhaps even read a book that is suggested by somebody OUTSIDE of the MSM.

RP's campaign and/or a PAC could destroy Glenn Beck's credibility (to those that think he has any), by simply showing Rick's votes for big government (No Child Left Behind, etc.) and Glenn's "He is the next George Washington." LOL...Beck should have at least admitted he was doing a comedy act.

 

[kusok]

FRAUD

The fact that there are people who don't get this ^^^ proves that what this KGB agent famously talked about is 100% true. "You can take them to concentration camps, show it to them, and they will not believe you" etc. Population has been conditioned.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk

 

[Brian4Liberty]

It is not the campaigns fault, though I'm sure they could have done things better in retrospect. I place the blame on the media for their blackouts and biased reporting, the GOP establishment for rallying against Ron, and most of all the voters for not embracing the ideas of liberty (though who could blame them after the heavy indoctrination we have all received from the government for our whole lives). However, there is no solid evidence of voter fraud.

Mostly agree, except there are the repeated Caucus "mistakes", reported on by Ben Swann.

My experience with any random person I talk to about Ron Paul (with very few exceptions) is they immediately tell me either:

1. He's unelectable
2. I like him a lot but his foreign policy is too extreme/isolationist
3. He's too old.
4. OR a combination of 1, 2, 3.

Predominantly, it was #2 and that's all there is to it.

Yep.

As sad as it is, it is a beauty and speaking contest. The ignorant masses vote for a spokesmodel. Combine that with massive media manipulation, and that pretty much sums up the process.

 

[parocks]

Young People turn out to vote in New Zealand. Dunno what's wrong with American youth.

How about holding the Rally's during Caucus Day?

Very reasonable. That's what happened in Fargo. We won 5 districts in the Fargo area. And many think there was fraud there, but I'm not so sure.

Yes, Ron Paul should have rallies at polling places. He should spend the whole day going from polling place to polling place in a state, speaking, or just shaking hands. He should release that schedule long in advance, so that people can publicize it.

 

[parocks]

If the campaign is going to continue, I want to see scorched earth. I want withering attacks on Romney and Santorum, I want media grabbing criticisms of their horrific policy prescriptions, I want to see some aggression. Go for broke, try to make something happen, catch lightening in a bottle, but they can't keep doing what they've been doing.

I ENJOY scorched earth. That's not the same thing as saying it's a good idea. Attack Rothschilds non stop. That I'd ENJOY. Not saying it's a good idea. Start asking "who OWNS The Fed?" And demonize them. Attack Goldman Sachs. Demonize them. Romney and Obama both get more money from Goldman Sachs than any other place. Goldman Sachs are The Worst. They're SCUM. And Romney and Obama take money from the worst SCUM on the Planet. Talk about Agenda 21. Talk about how Federal Regulations prohibit food manufacturers from saying their food products are No GMO or GMO Free. Monsanto, who are SCUM, own Obama and Vilsack. Attack a Pharma company, explain how big government works to their favor.

 

[amonasro]

Newt attacks the media to their faces, and gets applause in the debates.
Jon Stewart shows the media's stupidity, and makes millions...

Because Newt attacks the "left wing media" and Stewart attacks the "right wing media". They reinforce a false paradigm which is encouraged.

Ron Paul knows both sides play for the same boss, so whatever he does gets whitewashed.

 

[3kgt]

Holy crap this thread is just negativity front to back.
Wasn't the plan get enough delegates to keep Romney from securing the nomination? Well the grinch obviously won't get enough and neither will frothy but they will pull from Romney.
In a broken convention, ron paul is the wildcard.
Don't lose hope k