POLITICO: Ron Paul aides ponder ‘frustrating’ race

[mport1]

I know for a fact that over 50% of the voters we ID'd in Washington didn't vote (not all of which were young people by the way, thought the majority were), but when I point this out I get attacked for not embracing the delusional conspiracy theory vote fraud mindset that is so pervasive here. Get out there and actually canvas and call people and you will see most people don't support Paul, and of those who do most don't show up to vote. It's reality, and we all need to accept it if we want this movement to go anywhere. Screaming vote fraud is just an excuse so you can feel good about not having done anything to ID voters, because anyone who has been involved in voter ID in their precinct knows the truth. Most don't show up, end of story.

+ rep. I'm so tired of the conspiracy mindset of many people here. It is very frustrating to hear almost everything that has happened over the past 8 years blamed on some elaborate conspiracy against Ron Paul.

As I've said before, people need to realize our situation and accept the truth so we can better understand to proceed. As Ron Paul says about the economy and foreign policy, we have to understand why we are in this mess to fix it. Not using logic and reason to approach our situation isn't helping our cause.

 

[Bama Boy]

Fighting big Gov ain't easy. 50% of families are receiving a gov check. Safe to say all the old voters don't want their social security and medicare taken away.

 

[TheTexan]

There's also a hidden army of old people whose singular purpose is to go outside once a year to vote.


















Also known as dead people

 

[TIMB0B]

Well, as a young a person that never went to a single rally, I voted for RP. My parents, both retired and drawing SS checks never went to a rally either; they both voted for RP too.

I'm just spit-balling here, but I'd say for every person that went to a rally and didn't vote, there's someone that didn't go and did vote.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Young people don't vote and old people don't vote for Ron Paul. Sometimes it seems like the best hope is for certain blocks to ..uh, die off, and that today's young people will keep their ideals as they become tomorrow's voters, but it doesn't seem to work that way. Something has to be done to end that cycle.

OK, Plan E: we put Ron and Carol into cryo-sleep and thaw them out in 20 years after the old farts have died off and the country has gone to hell! j/k

-t

 

[seawolf]

The other POLITICO article today about Ron Paul is titled, "Pro-Paul Super Pac Mulls Options".

The bottom line is that the Endorse Liberty Super Pac "are reassessing our efforts" for Ron Paul. The only have $61,000 in cash and have spent $2.94 million in January alone, almost exclusively on online advertising. Why I will never know.

Anyway it appears the "smart money" ie. the few rich Pro-Liberty Ron Paul Supporters are going to move their money from Ron to other Liberty Candidates.

As I said on other threads, No Money, No Campaign (or a shell of what the present Campaign looks like).

The beginning of the end may already have begun and none of us really see it!!! Donations or a lack there of will tell the tale.....

Just follow the Ron Paul Daily On Line Donation Tracker, http://schiff.depositwiz.com/

 

[Feelgood]

Has anyone considered this possibility?!

All these people go to Ron Paul rallies by the thousands to hear what he says. Perhaps they do NOT like what he says and decide not to vote for him as a result?

I mean it is possible, I guess.

 

[ericthethe]

Maybe, but usually the crowds are loud and enthusiastic.

I think it has more to do with people not getting out to vote or even registering. When I went to vote last week there was only one other person there, and he got turned away because he wasn't registered correctly.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Young people don't vote and old people don't vote for Ron Paul. Sometimes it seems like the best hope is for certain blocks to ..uh, die off, and that today's young people will keep their ideals as they become tomorrow's voters, but it doesn't seem to work that way. Something has to be done to end that cycle.

Yeah, that's more accurate. Easy to blame the young people and then forget that the old people won't even give Ron Paul a second look.

Hell, at least young people are listening to Ron Paul. More than can be said for the blue-haired generation.

 

[PaulSoHard]

The bottom line is that the Endorse Liberty Super Pac "are reassessing our efforts" for Ron Paul. The only have $61,000 in cash and have spent $2.94 million in January alone, almost exclusively on online advertising. Why I will never know.

Anyway it appears the "smart money" ie. the few rich Pro-Liberty Ron Paul Supporters are going to move their money from Ron to other Liberty Candidates.

As I said on other threads, No Money, No Campaign (or a shell of what the present Campaign looks like).

The beginning of the end may already have begun and none of us really see it!!! Donations or a lack there of will tell the tale.....

Just follow the Ron Paul Daily On Line Donation Tracker, http://schiff.depositwiz.com/

I hope Peter Thiel doesn't pull the plug on his donations. I hope some substantial amount money goes towards RevPAC, or at least one more large-scale donation.

I don't ever recall RevPAC saying that they've launched their 'Tea for Two' ad in any of the Super Tuesday states, perhaps to lack of money. We're starting to run dry here. Endorse Liberty should have spent their money much more wisely than dumped it all on a winner-take-all and closed primary where everyone realized Ron had no shot

 

[wgadget]

Didn't young people vote for Obama?? Did they vote for obama in the primaries and caucuses?? Or did they just show up for the general?

I dont get it.

 

[cornell]

Didn't Endorse Liberty spend all of their money in Florida? Sounds like they should have saved it for ME/WA/ND/AK etc....

 

[wgadget]

Fighting big Gov ain't easy. 50% of families are receiving a gov check. Safe to say all the old voters don't want their social security and medicare taken away.

So these old people voted for Ron, then?

 

[ssjevot]

Didn't young people vote for Obama?? Did they vote for obama in the primaries and caucuses?? Or did they just show up for the general?

I dont get it.

He won the Iowa caucus and built momentum. I and most other realists knew it was over when we took 3rd in Iowa. The campaign killed itself afterwards when it didn't put enough effort into South Carolina. Maine was the last hope and instead of planting Ron up there and having him go to every caucus they just kind of thought it was in the bag and then it ended up being really close and the Maine GOP screwed us over. Oh well, it was never about winning for me in 2008 and it wasn't this year either. Ron is doing a great job of spreading the message and building a base for the liberty movement.

 

[ssjevot]

So these old people voted for Ron, then?

Media told them he'd take it away and make them live in the streets.

 

[ProBlue33]

The Boomers are brainwashed or sleeping, the silent majority just goes about it's business, while the vocal minority is just that, they are seen and heard because of raw enthusiasm.

 

[wgadget]

There you have it. The media is our biggest enemy. No one can win with the media against them.

Talk show host: "We won't be taking any Ron Paul nutjob callers."

Exhibit A.

 

[BUSHLIED]

My experience with any random person I talk to about Ron Paul (with very few exceptions) is they immediately tell me either:

1. He's unelectable
2. I like him a lot but his foreign policy is too extreme/isolationist
3. He's too old.
4. OR a combination of 1, 2, 3.

Predominantly, it was #2 and that's all there is to it.

You can't win over conservative voters who are older with Ron's foreign policy, particularly the way he articulated it. Ron allowed himself to be painted as an isolationist and didn't combat that mis-characterization well enough. I am sure the bin-laden comment hurt him and the Iranian nuclear weapon answers as well. Further, Ron didn't play up his social conservative credentials enough either. And why or why, would you come out with a fiscal plan that cuts 5 departments...? Ron refrained from attacking Obama, during debates and rallies. I can go on and on about the various flaws of how the message was handled but I won't. Quite frankly, I am surprised he did as well as he did yesterday overall. The one big shock was the Santorum win in North Dakota. Oh well, it's hard to stay enthusiastic in the campaign at this point...the delegate strategy is so illusive and hinges on many things falling into place.

I do give Ron credit for staying so rosy and optimistic despite suffering loss after loss. I wish the campaign would just throw everything they had in one state. There is still time to build an organization and take a stand. It seems like Ron is mnow forced to just throw a couple events together, maybe run some ads here and there. It's not enough.

 

[Article V]

What exactly is there to ponder? It's pretty easy to figure out.

People like me have regularly traveled across the country to support Ron Paul. So I imagine a significant portion of their rally support is from out-of-state supporters.

People like me also dragged 10 unconverted voters to the rallies, hoping Ron Paul would win them over; but instead got served a fluff speech without any details or worse got served a speech that was downright unbelievable to the unconverted (such as Ron Paul saying over and over, "The American people are with me on foreign policy," when every focus group says that foreign policy is what keeps people from voting Ron Paul).

Add up the out-of-state/repeat-attending RP fanatics plus the unconverted voters, and you end up with election day numbers that will be lower than what the big rally sizes suggest.

I've been saying this for months! But everyone is so desirous of good news that they completely disregard those of us who are attempting to be critically honest.

 

[Article V]

My experience with any random person I talk to about Ron Paul (with very few exceptions) is they immediately tell me either:

1. He's unelectable
2. I like him a lot but his foreign policy is too extreme/isolationist
3. He's too old.
4. OR a combination of 1, 2, 3.

Predominantly, it was #2 and that's all there is to it.

You can't win over conservative voters who are older with Ron's foreign policy, particularly the way he articulated it. Ron allowed himself to be painted as an isolationist and didn't combat that mis-characterization well enough. I am sure the bin-laden comment hurt him and the Iranian nuclear weapon answers as well. Further, Ron didn't play up his social conservative credentials enough either. And why or why, would you come out with a fiscal plan that cuts 5 departments...? Ron refrained from attacking Obama, during debates and rallies. I can go on and on about the various flaws of how the message was handled but I won't. Quite frankly, I am surprised he did as well as he did yesterday overall. The one big shock was the Santorum win in North Dakota. Oh well, it's hard to stay enthusiastic in the campaign at this point...the delegate strategy is so illusive and hinges on many things falling into place.

I do give Ron credit for staying so rosy and optimistic despite suffering loss after loss. I wish the campaign would just throw everything they had in one state. There is still time to build an organization and take a stand. It seems like Ron is mnow forced to just throw a couple events together, maybe run some ads here and there. It's not enough.

I concur 100%.