Politico: "Rand Paul has persuaded the president that we are not for regime change in Iran"

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Politico: "Rand Paul has persuaded the president that we are not for regime change in Iran"

The Rand-Trump alliance bursts into view
Enemies on the 2016 campaign trail, the Kentucky senator and the iconoclastic president have developed a quiet Washington friendship.

By ELIANA JOHNSON
08/08/2018

He infuriates West Wing aides who have had to scramble to win his support for key votes, but Rand Paul has the ear, and the affection, of the most important person in the White House: President Donald Trump.

Once bitter rivals on the Republican campaign trail, the Kentucky senator and the commander-in-chief have bonded over a shared delight in thumbing their noses at experts the president likes to deride as “foreign policy eggheads,” including those who work in his own administration.

When Trump dismissed national security adviser H.R. McMaster in March, replacing him with John Bolton, he told McMaster, “Look, he’s a hawk, you’re hawk, I can handle you guys,” according to a White House aide. While Trump tolerates his hawkish advisers, the aide added, he shares a real bond with Paul: “He actually at gut level has the same instincts as Rand Paul.”

Paul has quietly emerged as an influential sounding board and useful ally for the president, who frequently clashes with his top advisers on foreign policy. His relationship with Trump, developed via frequent cell phone calls and over rounds of golf at the president’s Virginia country club, became publicly apparent for the first time on Wednesday when the senator announced he had hand-delivered a letter to the Kremlin on Trump’s behalf.

Both Paul and Trump routinely rail against foreign entanglements, foreign wars, and foreign aid – positions characterized as isolationist by critics and as “America First” by the president and his supporters.

Even where they disagree, Paul has extracted small victories.

Trump has drawn praise from the right-wing establishment for hammering the mullahs in Tehran, junking the Iran nuclear deal and responding to the regime’s saber rattling with aggressive rhetoric of his own, warning Iranian president Hassan Rouhani on Twitter last month in all caps that future threats would be met with “CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE.”

But Trump has stopped short of calling for regime change even though Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Secretary of Defense James Mattis, and Bolton support it, aligning with Paul instead, according to a GOP foreign policy expert in frequent contact with the White House. “Rand Paul has persuaded the president that we are not for regime change in Iran,” this person said, because adopting that position would instigate another war in the Middle East.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/08/rand-paul-trump-russia-putin-768472
 
Who do u think has more influence on Trump? Bolton and Netanyaho who he appointed and loves 1000% or Rand Paul who at one time he asked the ppl of Kentucky to primary.

I will like to see tangible victories like the reinstatement of the nuclear deal and end to sanctions.
 
Who do u think has more influence on Trump? Bolton and Netanyaho who he appointed and loves 1000% or Rand Paul who at one time he asked the ppl of Kentucky to primary.

I will like to see tangible victories like the reinstatement of the nuclear deal and end to sanctions.

A good question, but I believe Trump's heart to be closer to Rand's worldview.
 
A good question, but I believe Trump's heart to be closer to Rand's worldview.

When u actually examine his actions, u will see that he is much closer to his neocon buddies than Rand. Look at policies cabinet appointees, judges etc and u will see what I am talking about.

Actions speak louder than words.
 
When u actually examine his actions, u will see that he is much closer to his neocon buddies than Rand. Look at policies cabinet appointees, judges etc and u will see what I am talking about.

Actions speak louder than words.

A never happy commie. :rolleyes:
 
If Rand Paul runs for and wins a 3rd and then a 4th term as KY's senator,
eventually he will be KY's SENIOR senator. Seniority = senatorial power
 
W Look at policies cabinet appointees, judges etc and u will see what I am talking about.

Actions speak louder than words.

His judges have been great. By all accounts from libertarians, his lower court appointees are about as good as they get. Gorsuch is great. We'll see with Kavanaugh. If you are complaining about his judge picks then you are just a perpetual whiner.
 
Who do u think has more influence on Trump? Bolton and Netanyaho who he appointed and loves 1000% or Rand Paul who at one time he asked the ppl of Kentucky to primary.

I will like to see tangible victories like the reinstatement of the nuclear deal and end to sanctions.

I think you are wrong here. Trump doesn't hire people like H.R. McMaster and John Bolton because is loves them or their views. Trump hires all kinds of people with viewpoints that can be valuable. He has always done this. He hires people that have expertise in areas and he listens to their opinions and then makes his own decisions. Sometimes he takes their advice and other times to ignores them, because he trusts his own instincts and judgement over all others.

Trump has for decades made a point to get so-called "expert opinions" and gather information from all sides. Then he makes his decisions. This is just part of his process that has helped him get to where he is today.

I am no fan of McMaster or Bolton, but I can see how it would be valuable to get their input and understand where they are coming from. Being ignorant to that point of view does not make one stronger.
 
His judges have been great. By all accounts from libertarians, his lower court appointees are about as good as they get. Gorsuch is great. We'll see with Kavanaugh. If you are complaining about his judge picks then you are just a perpetual whiner.

Judge Roberts was also fantastic conservative judge too until he sided with Obama care. They haven't been tested and from what I have read about his nominations, I doubt they would be any good.

Perpetual whiner? More like perpetual pessimist. I see corrupt people every where in Washington and a president who I believe have let the swamp capture him. If the same advisers telling him to nominate ppl like Pompeo and to continue the economic warfare on Russia are the same ppl advising him on the judge candidates? Then I have no faith in those new judges.
 
I think you are wrong here. Trump doesn't hire people like H.R. McMaster and John Bolton because is loves them or their views. Trump hires all kinds of people with viewpoints that can be valuable. He has always done this. He hires people that have expertise in areas and he listens to their opinions and then makes his own decisions. Sometimes he takes their advice and other times to ignores them, because he trusts his own instincts and judgement over all others.

Trump has for decades made a point to get so-called "expert opinions" and gather information from all sides. Then he makes his decisions. This is just part of his process that has helped him get to where he is today.

I am no fan of McMaster or Bolton, but I can see how it would be valuable to get their input and understand where they are coming from. Being ignorant to that point of view does not make one stronger.

Lemme guess, u must be one of those people that also believed that GW Bush stacking his administration with 10 out of the 20 signatories to PNAC doc was also him hiring them for their opinion. Sorry not buying it.

The neocon members of his administration dont just affect him but also cabinet members down the line. They affect people who collect and analyze intelligence report and for example with the case of Skripal make the wrong conclusion about the culprit.

You are the company u keep and his company is filled with zionists and neocons.
 
Rand Paul Against the World
A new report suggests the Kentucky senator is singlehandedly preventing war with Iran.

By JACK HUNTER
August 10, 2018

Not long ago, Donald Trump’s national security advisor John Bolton was promising regime change in Iran by the end of this year. Uber-hawk Bolton has long wanted war with Tehran. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo isn’t much different, and has even advocated bombing Iran. Secretary of Defense James Mattis has previously recommend U.S. airstrikes against Iranian targets.

Today, Bolton says the U.S. does not to seek regime change in Iran. So does Pompeo. So does Mattis.

Why?

President Trump has been known to be hawkish on Iran. Politico observed Wednesday: “Trump has drawn praise from the right-wing establishment for hammering the mullahs in Tehran, junking the Iran nuclear deal and responding to the regime’s saber rattling with aggressive rhetoric of his own….” There are also powerful factions in Congress and Washington with inroads to the president that have been itching for regime change for years. “The policy of the United States should be regime change in Iran,” says Senator Tom Cotton, once rumored to be Trump’s pick to head the CIA.

So what, or who, is stopping the hawks?

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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rand-paul-against-the-world/
 
Lemme guess, u must be one of those people that also believed that GW Bush stacking his administration with 10 out of the 20 signatories to PNAC doc was also him hiring them for their opinion. Sorry not buying it.

The neocon members of his administration dont just affect him but also cabinet members down the line. They affect people who collect and analyze intelligence report and for example with the case of Skripal make the wrong conclusion about the culprit.

You are the company u keep and his company is filled with zionists and neocons.

You are not a very good guesser it seems. Don't worry about buying anything that I am not selling, that no problem.

Trump keeps all kinds of company, not just neocons. Trump keeps company with Rand Paul... does that make him a libertarian magically as well?

Trump has an evangelical Vice President... does that make him a bible thumper too?

Is Jim Mattis a neocon? Is Ben Carson a neocon?

What I see is Trump hiring Republicans experienced at high level positions. I don't see him replicating Bush.

Are you of the opinion that Trump is acting like neocon as President?
 
Who do u think has more influence on Trump? Bolton and Netanyaho who he appointed and loves 1000% or Rand Paul who at one time he asked the ppl of Kentucky to primary.

I will like to see tangible victories like the reinstatement of the nuclear deal and end to sanctions.

Being able to buy insurance across state lines, in large associations and repealing the Obamacare mandate isn't tangible enough that Rand does in fact influence Trump on a policy level?

I don't expect a win on every single libertarian issue, let's be realistic. Headlines like these would've been coveted at the height of this movement, suddenly, its just not enough and more tangible victories are needed.

Lol, purist libertarianism is insufferable. We're lucky to have someone both idealistic and realistic like Rand.
 
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I think you are wrong here. Trump doesn't hire people like H.R. McMaster and John Bolton because is loves them or their views. Trump hires all kinds of people with viewpoints that can be valuable. He has always done this. He hires people that have expertise in areas and he listens to their opinions and then makes his own decisions. Sometimes he takes their advice and other times to ignores them, because he trusts his own instincts and judgement over all others.

I think you are being far too generous with this assessment. Trump hires people like McMaster and Bolton because the last time he hired a guy with views Trump actually supports the Deep State instigated an illegal spying operation against him and eventually had him removed from office. Just giving the Deep State their appointments is the path of least resistance. Trump can always ignore their advice.

Trump clearly likes Rand. Whenever other Senators hold out or oppose him on something Trump goes in to attack mode but when Rand does it Trump lets it slide. They hang out all the time and Trump trusting Rand to deliver a letter to Putin is a huge sign of trust and respect.

The other day Trump Tweeted that he is ready and willing to talk to the Mullahs whenever they want (about new nuclear deal). This is very much NOT something the Neocons would be pleased with. Their position is that Iran must be defeated (not just the government, but the county itself under any government) and that any talk or deals are futile.
 
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