Politico: Occupy Wall Street crashes Ron Paul event

[Student Of Paulism]

It's unfortunate this had to happen, because this is something the MSM will get a hard-on over and then spin it in their own way to show how rabid and dysfunctional the OWSers are, and that Ron actually affiliates himself with them. It's just not good concerning the whole 'public image' thing. He has said many a time, that he support SOME of what they believe in when it comes to the entitlements, corrupt corps, bailouts, etc. But he DOES NOT support the ones who want to crap all over the rich 'just because they are rich'. If those rich people got rich the right way and created a business and a product that consumers love and endorse, then that is just capitalism functioning as it should. Nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately, most of them now are going after that group too and just getting carried away with disillusioned ideas and making themselves look retarded.

I'm certain Bill Oreilly just can't wait to air this tonight on his show

If these idiots want to protest or 'crash' a speech, why not do it at Cain's or Romney's? Those are the corporate fascists and puppets who support all the crap they are against and would just keep the same broken system in place, not Ron Paul.

 

[pen_thief]

i couldn't agree more...many will come around after they listen to Ron and watch youtube clips etc...they actually may turn to be a needed boost as they as a movement refine their understanding of the issues...some may want more government but once they understand that the gov is part of the problem a HUGE light is going to go off in their minds and that will be great for us

That's what happened to me, exactly ^_^

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Maybe so, but he simply isn't going to be successful by doing that. He has to tailor his message towards Republicans since he's running in a Republican primary. He needs to look at what Rand did in his Kentucky race.

Jon Huntsman's foreign policy, as stated in debates and in various press releases, is almost exactly the same as Rand's.

Jon Huntsman is sitting at 1% in most polls.

 

[jct74]

MSNBC coverage


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgtC3VJlUf0

 

[low preference guy]

MSNBC coverage


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgtC3VJlUf0

lame MSNBC cut the clip before RP made his points about the bailouts.

 

[JoshLowry]

lol @ the newt gingrich pimp at the end.

They aren't even trying to hide their bias.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Actually the beauty of the human microphone is that if the person says something you don't agree with, you don't have to help amplify it.

Ever heard of mob mentality?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

..they were cheering for him

Why do you assume this? There are a few possibilities. Either Ron Paul changed their minds and sentiments, they only cheered because he said something they liked and wanted to hear without necessarily agreeing with him on his policies, or they weren't the ones cheering and it was instead the other people at the rally that cheered in response to the chants.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

It's actually EXTREMELY easy, it is even easier than convincing a neocon that we should stop bombing brown people in the middle east.

All you have to do is show them how corporations control govt., and so their solution for more government power will lead to more corporate power just like it always has. You say that, and a light switch in their head clicks.. It might take them some time to think it through and change their views completely, but once you see the light switch click for the 100th time you realize how easy it actually is to start pushing them in that direction.

Believing corporations control government isn't part of a liberty ideology, as far as I'm concerned. Government controls corporations and stifles growth. The corporations aren't the evil ones. People in the corporations may be immoral, but that is a different story. The government isn't being "bought out." They are playing favorites by picking winners and losers. The corporations aren't the ones doing that.

 

[PauliticsPolitics]

Why do you assume this? There are a few possibilities. Either Ron Paul changed their minds and sentiments, they only cheered because he said something they liked and wanted to hear without necessarily agreeing with him on his policies, or they weren't the ones cheering and it was instead the other people at the rally that cheered in response to the chants.

I don't really care about this, and this is all old news...
But yes, some of the OWS people cheered RP's response. If you watch the two videos in the OP, there is a large person with a bright red jacket and a ponytail. That person is part of the OWS human microphone, but clearly cheers RP during the response.
My best guess is that your second assertion is correct: They "cheered because he said something they liked and wanted to hear without necessarily agreeing with him." Maybe RP changed a couple of their minds, who knows. The more important thing is that RP handled it very well.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

That is so f'ing ridiculous to even say. You are way too caught up in the false left-right paradigm. The evil corporations control government and make rules to allow them to do more evil things. Like for example prop up a phony housing bubble only to profit and watch it collapse on the people, then bailout themselves. That's evil. Period. For you to pretend like they are being good people and just making their corporation more rich is ludicrous.

Same thing with big pharma, big ag, everything govt. gets involved in. There are evil corporations that hurt people, who wouldn't otherwise be able to if they weren't in control of government.That's why you don't understand the system, OWS people do, and why I have a lot more faith in many of them than Republicans who spout off about free markets and don't even know why.

The two bolded statements seem contradictory. You first suggest that government was the initiator of force, and then you say the corporations are in control. If the government got involved, doesn't that suggest they are the ones who call the shots? Why would you say government caused the problem and then turn around and say the corporate control is the root of the problem.

 

[speciallyblend]

The two bolded statements seem contradictory. You first suggest that government was the initiator of force, and then you say the corporations are in control. If the government got involved, doesn't that suggest they are the ones who call the shots? Why would you say government caused the problem and then turn around and say the corporate control is the root of the problem.

corporatism at the hands of government go hand in hand.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

corporatism at the hands of government go hand in hand.

Your statement makes no sense. You have to have two things in order to say they go "hand in hand." You only stated on object, i.e. "corporatism at the hands of goverment." Did you mean corporatism AND the hands of government? Because if you did, I still don't quite understand what you meant.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

The two bolded statements seem contradictory. You first suggest that government was the initiator of force, and then you say the corporations are in control. If the government got involved, doesn't that suggest they are the ones who call the shots? Why would you say government caused the problem and then turn around and say the corporate control is the root of the problem.

Because he's drinking the OWS kool-aid. Get rid of the Fed, the federal regulatory bureaucracies, stop the bailouts and the subsidies and the system reforms itself overnight.

 

[kylejack]

Believing corporations control government isn't part of a liberty ideology, as far as I'm concerned. Government controls corporations and stifles growth. The corporations aren't the evil ones. People in the corporations may be immoral, but that is a different story. The government isn't being "bought out." They are playing favorites by picking winners and losers. The corporations aren't the ones doing that.

You have a mystical view of corporations. A corporation that is acting unethically is unethical.

 

[Paulitics 2011]

How can you "reach out" to people who have the exact opposite ideology that you do? These people are pushing for even bigger government, and the liberty movement is about smaller government.

Oh, you mean like neo-cons?

Oh wait, that's what we're trying to do this election...

 

[EWM]

I wish Paul would have mowed them down with a gatling gun.