Politico: Occupy Wall Street crashes Ron Paul event

Because they want to do something positive for their country and they don't give a rats ass about god damn political parties like you do yet shouldn't?

Exactly...Presidential candidate Paul Tsongas wrote this in 1991...We could convert so many Independents if we remind older NH voters of these words...


America is greatness. It is the pursuit of excellence and the
fulfillment of human capacity. America is not the casual acceptance of
economic decline and social disintegration. Yet, that is what some are
prepared to endure. We are better than what we are being asked to be by
our leaders. We are a nation of goals, not a nation of limits. We must
have leadership that is committed to world pre-eminence in the strength
of our economy, in the cohesion of our society, and in the quality of
our environment. To accept anything less is to do violence to the two
centuries of our history.

America is not just another country. It is not just another
place. It is the embrace of fundamental human values that define what
man can become. America is "We The People" as respectful keepers of the
sacred trust that was forged by the blood and hardships of those who
came before us. America has been bequeathed to us. It is a living
heritage meant for us to preserve and then bequeath to other Americans,
yet unborn and yet proven to be worthy.

Today, that heritage is under attack.

Its restoration is the great challenge of our generation.

This is the mandate to which we must now attend.

America faces great economic peril as our standard of living is
threatened by Europe 1992 and the Pacific Rim. Once the world's
greatest economic power, we are selling off our national patrimony as we
sink ever deeper into national debt. The Reagan-Bush years have seen us
become the world's greatest debtor nation. America is also witnessing
the weakening of its social fabric as more and more families dissolve
under the onslaught of a culture that glorifies the immediate and the
shallow. As our historic values are disregarded by today's
society-in-a-hurry, the civility of America has been lessened.
Finally,
America is adrift as our leaders flinch from the difficult decisions
that will safeguard us from the energy and environmental threats that
confront us. This nation's will is not being called upon on the home
front because of a fear that our people are not ready for an honest and
forceful response to these threats. I strongly disagree.

The purposeful avoidance of difficult issues caused serious
erosion to our society in the eighties. The eighties, fortunately, are
over. The icon of indulgence that we worshipped during that decade has
proven to be a false god. However, it has left behind a legacy of
comfort and ease and the pursuit of self. That legacy is not what
America is all about. That legacy contravenes the values of our
ancestors. These forebearers created a nation with an enduring work
ethic, a sense of personal discipline, and an acute appreciation of the
common good. They had a sense of purpose that gave meaning to their
lives and strengthened their nation. They defined patriotism as what
they did, not what they avoided doing.


They left that sense of purpose and that patriotism to our
keeping. We have set it aside.

America is asking us to return to that purpose. The time has
come for a New American Mandate, based on the precious values of the
past but focused on a vision of the future. The New American Mandate is
a positive response to America under siege. Saddam Hussein is an
acknowledged threat, but he is not the only one. Just as we deploy our
men and women in the Persian Gulf, we must deploy every American to stop
our economic bleeding, to restore our social fabric, and to meet head on
the environmental and energy threats to our well being.

We must all be soldiers - everyone of us. Our men and women in
the armed forces demonstrate their love of country by facing possible
death in the sands of the Arabian peninsula. We must be prepared to
love our country as well in our every day deeds and our every day
commitments.

America in 1991 needs our total devotion. This paper is meant
to provide the battle plan to deploy that devotion in a way that will
strengthen the nation we love.

The mission of the Democratic Party in 1992 would normally be to
put one of its own in the White House. But these are not normal times.

What our country needs is not just a President - but a President
with the necessary mandate. In many respects the mandate to correctly
change our course is more critical than which party will oversee that
change from the White House.
 
I can blame them for corrupting politicians with special interest money and those corrupted politicians for creating an environment conducive to perpetuating the crony capitalism cycle we are currently trapped in.

Then I'll ask you what I've asked others. What exactly is the solution to this problem? How can you prevent private businesses from donating money to politicians without violating the 1st amendment?
 
All you have to do is show them how corporations control govt., and so their solution for more government power will lead to more corporate power just like it always has. You say that, and a light switch in their head clicks.. It might take them some time to think it through and change their views completely, but once you see the light switch click for the 100th time you realize how easy it actually is to start pushing them in that direction.

Really? This has never worked for me at all and I've tried it with just about every leftist I've ever come across. They all seem to think that we just need more regulations. I say that big government always devolves into corporatism; that it is human nature for authority to corrupt. But they think that putting the right people in charge will solve everything. Every argument I put up, they just find a way to reconcile the fact that they want to further empower the very people they claim to be against.

Maybe you're having better luck than I've ever had and that's awesome. But as other posters have pointed out, the election is fast approaching. If we want to win - and for the sake of what's left of the Republic, we'd better - then we need to be contacting likely Republican voters in early states. Save the education for the general election.
 


lol. That is exactly how I view the "Human Microphone" thing. It always makes me think of a hive mind, and thus, The Borg. Frightening really. Loss of individuality, etc.

Paul did a wonderful job. The OWS'ers were applauding him after his last statement.
 
For the whateverth time, quit being simplistic in your thinking. I've stated nothing about taking time away from helping Ron Paul in the electoral process to devote time to do nothing but educate non-believers.

Spending time educating non-believers that will actually vote is not a waste of time. If people are interested in freedom, any time during the next month dedicated to activism should be spent calling likely voters, and promoting fundraising. After that, sure, go and educate the occupiers.. If they are still out there when it is snowing. We don't want Ron falling short by 100 votes because people were more interested in the Occupy movement, do we?
 
Yeah, those evil corporations. More socialist, left wing rhetoric.

Corporations that participated in derivative trading and backed it up with Fed funds rates at 0% while receiving bailouts when their game of Monopoly crashed aren't exactly angelic.

Like soldiers who justify killing innocent people under the guise of "following orders," or police officers arresting people participating in non-violent "crimes," I have a difficult time sympathizing with corporations and individuals who participated with the Fed in crashing the economy.
 
Spending time educating non-believers that will actually vote is not a waste of time. If people are interested in freedom, any time during the next month dedicated to activism should be spent calling likely voters, and promoting fundraising. After that, sure, go and educate the occupiers.. If they are still out there when it is snowing. We don't want Ron falling short by 100 votes because people were more interested in the Occupy movement, do we?

You're wasting time arguing on an internet forum when you could be phoning from home, or door-to-door canvassing. Delete your RPF profile and dedicate more time for those endeavors.

Fighting for freedom will be a struggle long after Ron is or isn't elected. Don't lose sight of the war to focus solely on the battle.
 
OMG, can you all not see that regardless of whether this should have happened or not, Dr. Paul turned it into total win???

This. And as one who remembers Dubya's team hand-picking the crowd members during his campaigns, this stands in stark contrast. Ron Paul is inclusive, stands ready to answer questions from anyone, and wants to represent all of We, the People.

It should have happened, it was a complete win, it will be ignored if they can ignore it, and I wish it would happen everywhere.
 
Corporations that participated in derivative trading and backed it up with Fed funds rates at 0% while receiving bailouts when their game of Monopoly crashed aren't exactly angelic.

Like soldiers who justify killing innocent people under the guise of "following orders," or police officers arresting people participating in non-violent "crimes," I have a difficult time sympathizing with corporations and individuals who participated with the Fed in crashing the economy.

I disagree. Soldiers and police offers simply do their jobs. If they didn't do their jobs, they would get fired, or in the case of soldiers, even arrested. The blame again rests with the government for creating bad policies. Our soldiers and police officers deserve a tremendous amount of respect for their service.

Also, as long as these companies didn't actually do anything illegal, I don't see how you can criticize them for doing what's in the best interests of their company.
 
You're wasting time arguing on an internet forum when you could be phoning from home, or door-to-door canvassing. Delete your RPF profile and dedicate more time for those endeavors.

Fighting for freedom will be a struggle long after Ron is or isn't elected. Don't lose sight of the war to focus solely on the battle.

I can't make calls or canvass.

Like I said, there will be plenty of time to educate leftists once Ron is elected.
 
I disagree. Soldiers and police offers simply do their jobs. If they didn't do their jobs, they would get fired, or in the case of soldiers, even arrested. The blame again rests with the government for creating bad policies. Our soldiers and police officers deserve a tremendous amount of respect for their service.

Also, as long as these companies didn't actually do anything illegal, I don't see how you can criticize them for doing what's in the best interests of their company.

Government does deserve blame for creating the conditions that are and have been in place. That doesn't excuse individuals or companies who act immorally. Killing and arresting innocent people is wrong, no matter the situation.

I'm going to tweak your quote, and you tell me how you feel about it:

Also, as long as these mothers didn't actually do anything illegal, I don't see how you can criticize them for doing what's in the best interests of themselves and their families.
 
Elect ethical politicians and vote the corrupt ones out.

When has that ever worked? Democracy is the problem. Even if Congress were somehow filled with ethical politicians (yeah right - power almost always corrupts) we would still be pretty much where we are today. The only thing that is going to save this country is a restoration of the Constitutional Republic, and the liberty that would accompany it. Please check out this site: http://democracyisnotfreedom.com/
 
Yeah, those evil corporations. More socialist, left wing rhetoric.

That is so f'ing ridiculous to even say. You are way too caught up in the false left-right paradigm. The evil corporations control government and make rules to allow them to do more evil things. Like for example prop up a phony housing bubble only to profit and watch it collapse on the people, then bailout themselves. That's evil. Period. For you to pretend like they are being good people and just making their corporation more rich is ludicrous.

Same thing with big pharma, big ag, everything govt. gets involved in. There are evil corporations that hurt people, who wouldn't otherwise be able to if they weren't in control of government.

That's why you don't understand the system, OWS people do, and why I have a lot more faith in many of them than Republicans who spout off about free markets and don't even know why.
 
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