"Policing powers were left to the states ".

[unknown]

I've heard this many times, even said it myself.

When people say, when we say that "policing powers were left to the states", what's the basis for this statement?

Is it simply because policing powers were never delegated to the Feds in the Constitution, everything else left to the states, the 9th and 10th?

Or is there more to it?

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's a lie:

Article 2, Section 3​

...he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed...

 

[acptulsa]

Backwards as usual. It's Article III, Section 2 that's relevant here.

"The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed"

 

[tebowlives]

It's a lie:

Article 2, Section 3​

...he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed...

Why is the following from the 10th amendment a lie? That powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states or to the people.

 

[ClaytonB]

It's a lie:

Article 2, Section 3​

...he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed...

Which laws include the 9th and 10th Amendments. The Federal government has ZERO policing powers. And 90+% of the powers it currently exercises are illegitimate, being pilfered from the States or WTP. Because they do not abide by the contract that WTP made with them, DC are naught but a hive of pirates and brigands. They are a "government" of no authority at all. That's what happens when you keep pushing tyranny in the supposed "land of the free and home of the brave." Now you know why the FSK bridge collapsed...

 

[ClaytonB]

Is it simply because policing powers were never delegated to the Feds in the Constitution, everything else left to the states, the 9th and 10th?

Or is there more to it?

Yes, and that's more than sufficient. The Constitution is explicitly enumerative:

"The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." (9A) -- We have hella rights, and only a few examples are given in the Constitution in order to more explicitly secure them, as well as to give the general idea of all the other rights we have (not rights to one another's property, for example, just rights to be left alone by tyrants).

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." (10A) -- Along with the essentially infinite list of unenumerated rights that we have by birth, we also have powers and authorities, these being rights which we can alienate (abandon) via delegation. For example, if I assign my estate to you via power-of-attorney, I have delegated the authority of managing my estate to you. There is an infinite list of such powers. The enumeration of the powers in the Constitution that the Federal government does have does not indicate it possesses any other powers... all other powers than those enumerated in the Constitution belong (by default) to the States or to WTP.

Think of it like set theory. We have some set X of rights/powers. The Constitution names a few of those rights that we have, and this naming shall not be construed to suggest we have only those rights, or anything less than the full set of X rights. Conversely, the US Government is delegated a set Y of powers by the Constitution (from the States or WTP) and this delegation does not indicate that it has any other powers than these. Note that Y is strictly a SUBSET of X, a point frequently neglected in discussions of constitutional law -- all the powers the Federal government has originally belong to us (WTP), and we merely delegated them to the Federal government so that it can perform the duties we assigned to it in the Constitution. That's the contract: here are some duties that you must perform and, along with these duties, we are delegating a finite list of powers to you so that you can do those duties. It could not be simpler. But tyranny doesn't work with simplicitly, so we gotta make it seem so complicated!!

 

[CCTelander]

Backwards as usual. It's Article III, Section 2 that's relevant here.

"The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed"

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Even before the BoR there was Federalist #45. Swordy might try reading it. It could prove enlightening.

Then he can come back here and tell us all what a deep state shill and liar James Madison was when he wrote those obvious lies. What a deep state propagandist that traitor Madison was.

 

[jmdrake]

Backwards as usual. It's Article III, Section 2 that's relevant here.

"The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed"

So that gives the venue of where the trial should be held (the State where the said Crimes have been committed) but it doesn't say anything about jurisdiction (state or federal). It would be odd to suggest this language means that treason would have to be tried in state court for example.

 

[PAF]

I'll just drop this here:

'NationalPolice.org'

Aug 6, 2025

I was listening to Fox Newz on the radio today, and they were promoting NationalPolice.org like there was no tomorrow.

They urged all citizens nationwide to assist police in every way possible, including contacting 911, and then NationalPolice.org, to help/aid the "Brothers in Blue", even before turning on cell phone recording and/or coming to the aid of civilians.

Here is a statement from the website:

The National Police Association advocates Support the Police, and Back the Blue, because Blue Lives Matter.

You can let @Swordsmyth know that this...

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[acptulsa]

I'll just drop this here:

Interesting that people like @Swordsmyth show absolutely no interest in such questions unless and until the MSM propaganda machine churns them up. When people like this even have an opinion on a subject this esoteric, you can bet your bottom dollar something is being crafted to screw us with.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Backwards as usual. It's Article III, Section 2 that's relevant here.

"The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed"

Which has nothing to do with whether it is the feds trying them.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Why is the following from the 10th amendment a lie? That powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states or to the people.

That's not a lie.
But the power to enforce the laws is delegated to the President.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Which laws include the 9th and 10th Amendments. The Federal government has ZERO policing powers. And 90+% of the powers it currently exercises are illegitimate, being pilfered from the States or WTP. Because they do not abide by the contract that WTP made with them, DC are naught but a hive of pirates and brigands. They are a "government" of no authority at all. That's what happens when you keep pushing tyranny in the supposed "land of the free and home of the brave." Now you know why the FSK bridge collapsed...

That's nonsense, the feds have policing powers for federal laws.
What laws should be federal is a different question, but there is no doubt there are federal laws and that the feds have the power to enforce them.

 

[ClaytonB]

That's nonsense, the feds have policing powers for federal laws.
What laws should be federal is a different question, but there is no doubt there are federal laws and that the feds have the power to enforce them.

They have the authority to enforce Federal law constitutionally. The Constitution explicitly cedes all powers not delegated to the Federal government back to the States or WTP. There is no mention of "policing" or any of that in the Constitution... and for a reason. The Feds have been trying to build a national police-force since before GWB. If you think the Left is out-of-control today, just wait until they have a national police-force at their disposal. The US will become Brownshirt-City. Obama even tried to boot up a "civilian only" version of this and got swatted down (there are a couple R's in Washington still awake at the wheel).

Under common law, the Sheriff is the highest territorial law officer in his county. The Feds have no constitutional carveout from that, so they have to abide by it just like anybody else. This is part of the architecture of the United States... one of the reasons it's managed to cling on to existence thus far despite people running roughshod over the Constitution whenever they feel like because "politics is the art of the possible" or whatever BS excuse they dream up. IF YOU DON'T WANT RUNNING ANARCHY IN THE STREETS, THEN ABIDE BY YOUR OWN LAWS. And if you will not abide by your own laws, then there is a forcing-function above you that will compel you to do so, whether you "believe in" that or not. History is littered with the dry bones of countless tyrants -- every single one thought they were going to transform the entire world into their private sandbox. Their projects all came to nothing. The Feds will be no different if they persist on the course of post-9/11 police-state insanity. Just another heap of dry tyrant-bones for the history books. [PS: Because this is Clown World, I am legally compelled to note that this is rhetorical, not a threat of any kind. Just a prophetic message from on-high, repeated countless times in Scripture... fear God or perish, Psalm 2...]

We've been off the rails since 1861...

 

[Swordsmyth]

They have the authority to enforce Federal law constitutionally. The Constitution explicitly cedes all powers not delegated to the Federal government back to the States or WTP. There is no mention of "policing" or any of that in the Constitution... and for a reason. The Feds have been trying to build a national police-force since before GWB. If you think the Left is out-of-control today, just wait until they have a national police-force at their disposal. The US will become Brownshirt-City. Obama even tried to boot up a "civilian only" version of this and got swatted down (there are a couple R's in Washington still awake at the wheel).

Under common law, the Sheriff is the highest territorial law officer in his county. The Feds have no constitutional carveout from that, so they have to abide by it just like anybody else. This is part of the architecture of the United States... one of the reasons it's managed to cling on to existence thus far despite people running roughshod over the Constitution whenever they feel like because "politics is the art of the possible" or whatever BS excuse they dream up. IF YOU DON'T WANT RUNNING ANARCHY IN THE STREETS, THEN ABIDE BY YOUR OWN LAWS. And if you will not abide by your own laws, then there is a forcing-function above you that will compel you to do so, whether you "believe in" that or not. History is littered with the dry bones of countless tyrants -- every single one thought they were going to transform the entire world into their private sandbox. Their projects all came to nothing. The Feds will be no different if they persist on the course of post-9/11 police-state insanity. Just another heap of dry tyrant-bones for the history books. [PS: Because this is Clown World, I am legally compelled to note that this is rhetorical, not a threat of any kind. Just a prophetic message from on-high, repeated countless times in Scripture... fear God or perish, Psalm 2...]

We've been off the rails since 1861...

That's anarchist/libertarian propaganda.

I quoted where the President is to see that the laws are enforced.
Then there's this:

A1S8:
...To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union...To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


What laws the feds should be making and enforcing is an entirely different question.

 

[acptulsa]

That's anarchist/libertarian propaganda.

You're anarchist/libertarian propaganda. You're the poster boy for why people who worship centralized power are mentally ill.

 

[ClaytonB]

That's anarchist/libertarian propaganda.

It's history.

And it will be the undoing of this country.

The Feds are and always have been gambling everything.

They won the gamble in 1865 (Civil War).

They won the gamble again in 1913 (the Federal Reserve).

They won the gamble in 1947 (National Security Act)

They won the gamble again in 2001 (Patriot Act, MCA, NDAA+)

Unfortunately for them, past results are no indication of future success. One of these days, that deal with the devil is going to run out, Isaiah 28:18.

I quoted where the President is to see that the laws are enforced.

Which is an authority delegated to him by WTP, and can only be exercised within the limits placed by the Constitution.

A1S8:

The militia can constitutionally be called up to suppress an insurrection, "execute" Federal laws, and repel invasions. Regardless of the actual evil done, this was the legal basis on which Lincoln invaded, torched and raped the South. Which tells you everything you need to know in respect to how the exercise of such power should be viewed: with infinite suspicion. Everybody's a Patriot until they get into office and then they magically transform into a Redcoat. Strange how that keeps happening and we keep not learning the lesson...

What laws the feds should be making and enforcing is an entirely different question.

You'll change your tune in 2028 when the Ring of Power switches from Red to Blue. Then you will be crying and moaning about executive abuse of power along with all the RINOs and neoCONs...

 

[TheTexan]

The federal government has no interest in enforcing the law, and the near infinite violations of the constitution ignoring even the most plain language "shall not be infringed", is proof of that.

 

[PAF]

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By Irie Sentner
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[Invisible Man]

Who says there are supposed to be policing powers in the first place?