Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber

The trouble with a lawsuit for damages is that the perpetrators aren't the ones paying, it is the rest of the citizens. Hopefully the police officers who did this will be at least fired, but I'm not about to hold my breath. In order to prevent this from recurring, the offending officers themselves need to be held personally accountable.
 
pagining AF, come to the police state insanity thread, aisle 9 please. :eek:

Your Fourth Amendment right to be free from such unreasonable searches and detentions was washed away in a flood of police state legal gibberish and crawfishing, long ago:

Ordinarily, "law enforcement officers must possess at least articulable suspicion before stopping a vehicle."4 There are, however, limited exceptions to the requirement that seizures be based on probable cause or reasonable suspicion. Under the Fourth Amendment, roadblocks to apprehend fleeing, dangerous suspects may be among the limited public safety intrusions permitted law enforcement officers who do not possess "articulable suspicion" to stop a particular vehicle.5 Whether this analysis is called a "limited exception" or a balancing test, courts are inclined to treat cases that involve a roadblock set up after a shooting aimed at catching the perpetrator as not requiring particularized suspicion.


http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/...on=display_arch&article_id=482&issue_id=12005
 
The search lasted between an hour and a half and two hours, and it wasn’t until the final car was searched that police apprehended the suspect.

Ummm.... isn't ANYTHING you are looking for always in the LAST place you look?
 
I SEE THE FUTURE!
I SEE 39 WRONGFUL ARREST LAWSUITS.
I SEE THIS "PERSON" WORKING AT KRISPPY CREAM!

the circle is complete, life restores balance...

wrong-o. According to the reports I saw, NONE of the 39 wrongfully detained people complained. Five bystanders did.

The slaves don't care. As a matter of fact, the slaves get angry if other slaves demand their freedom...

..what you doin! You gonna get us all in trouble!
 
I don't want to endure having a gun pointed at me for standing up for my rights, or for simply being in a particular location. You only point a gun at someone you intend to use it on. To point a gun at someone you do NOT intend to use it on is the greatest insult to them and it literally threatens them with death. It's not some cute little "protocol" that you just do. You don't point a gun at someone like that. Everyone who grew up in a rural family knows this. To do otherwise is to assume we are slaves that can be threatened with death casually.

AGREED. I go into warrior under duress mode; you risk your life and mine when you point your gun at me or my family. Damn well better have your facts straight and ducks in a row.

[video]http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-do-gun-disarming-techniques[/video]

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wrong-o. According to the reports I saw, NONE of the 39 wrongfully detained people complained. Five bystanders did.

The slaves don't care. As a matter of fact, the slaves get angry if other slaves demand their freedom...

..what you doin! You gonna get us all in trouble!

Yep none of the detainees probably care. They were just happy to let the police "do their job". The cops won't have to worry about a lawsuit from this.
 
This.

If you are awaiting a "mass awakening" from people like this to restore your lost liberty, you're on a fool's errand.

wrong-o. According to the reports I saw, NONE of the 39 wrongfully detained people complained. Five bystanders did.

The slaves don't care. As a matter of fact, the slaves get angry if other slaves demand their freedom...

..what you doin! You gonna get us all in trouble!
 
Ummm.... isn't ANYTHING you are looking for always in the LAST place you look?

lol. "Gee whiz boss. That's what me and Cavanaugh here were saying. Aint that some lousy luck? They weren't angry or anything was they? I thought we was gonna run out of handcuffs and you know I can't figure out those zip tie thingees to save my life."

Grrrrrrrrrr.
 
This will now set the precedence for other jurisdictions to do the same thing......it's like getting a foot in the door, Once they see that they can get away with something, it will soon be commonplace.
 
Try to handcuff me while circumventing my RECOGNISED 4th amendment rights. Try that with me. The results would have been an obituary and a corresponding news article stating that I was a domestic 'terrorist.' I was a 'Ron Paul supporter' that had a 'pocket Constitution' and a 'Don't Tread on me window decal.' I was also armed! :eek: They won't mention that I chose to defend my rights. I was just an extremist. R.I.P. me.
 
This only confirms the inevitability of a full blown police state. They will always have a pretext - some hit and miss and other just flat out lies. At what point did people start believing that everything the state does is in their best interest? Crazy!
 
I cannot help but wonder what would happen to one of the innocent people that had guns pointed at them if one of those innocent people, for which they had no warrant or articulable evidence to arrest or search over, had upon being ordered to exit their vehicle with a gun threatening their life pointed at their face informed the officer that they would "Do exactly as they say... as soon as no guns are pointed at them."

It would be a perfectly legal and legitimate action for the innocent person to take. And it would be the only way for them to retain their human dignity. Pointing a gun at someone is no joke.

I cannot help but wonder if someone exercised their rights in this manner, or by refusing consent to search, if we would be reading news of another false arrest, beating, or an obituary.

I hope I am wrong, but I wonder if they could swallow their pride for long enough to lower their weapons to give an innocent person the human dignity that we all deserve and should expect.
 
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I cannot help but wonder if someone exercised their rights in this manner, or by refusing consent to search, if we would be reading news of another false arrest, beating, or an obituary.

I hope I am wrong, but I wonder if they could swallow their pride for long enough to lower their weapons to give an innocent person the human dignity that we all deserve and should expect.


I already ranted about this insanity in another thread:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?379655-Yes-I-m-sure-this-child-robbed-the-bank.

But I have to add, per your comment, that if I had been one of the drivers at that intersection, I would probably be dead right now. Every time I re-read the particulars of this newest and most egregious assault on our liberties, I become more incensed.

I'm pretty sure my response to the cops would have been something like, "What the HELL? You've got no right to do this, and you keep away from my car, you worthless fascist prick!" :mad::mad:

No, it wouldn't be the smartest way to handle the situation.

Yes, I would probably end up dead or badly injured.

But I can't help it. This is utter madness. Insanity. It is completely beyond the pale. And the sickening realization that the police actions are supported by 90% of the population is the salt in the wound.
 
I think the most calculated way to go about this would be to write a note while in your car that says "I will do as requested as long as no guns are pointed at me.", stick the note out the window, and close the window on it if you don't have tape, or find some other way to affix it there because you want your hands on the wheel and visible so they know you are not a threat worthy of threatening with death by pointing a gun at you.

If a note on the window seems too "suspicious" to "security" minded individuals like cops, then saying those words might suffice, but they might not give you a chance to speak between the yelling and the gun pointing. Of course, to use a note on the window you would have to already see them drawing people out of their cars at gunpoint, so chances are in most situations you would start out seeing them pointing a gun at you, at which point you would have to say the phrase.

Even then, would they understand? Would they back down, lower their weapon, get the information they need from you (that you are innocent) without pointing a weapon at you and without searching your car (or get a warrant), and move on?

Or would they escalate the situation, continue pointing guns at you, break into your car, hurt you, imprison you, or possibly give the death sentence on the spot for passive, non-violent resistance which was only demanding to be treated like a human being instead of a slave, and while making it clear you would do as they asked (within the boundaries of the law -- they still need a warrant) so long as they treated you with respect?

I don't have the answer, but this question would be rather important to me if I get pulled over and they point a gun at me.

I would try to make it clear that I am not "resisting". I would try to be polite, and would be sure to mention first that I will do as asked before mentioning that I won't unless they lower their weapon, because if they first thing they see or hear is "lower your weapon" they would be on-guard for danger.

I would not be armed, I would not make any threats, I would not harm anyone, but I would do my best to make sure they do not violate my liberty by pointing a gun in my face (a sure violation of my right to life) or searching without a warrant.

This would involve talking to the cops to a degree, which I am aware is ill-advisable. But you have to use some words to refuse consent to a search, too. I would otherwise remain silent, even knowing I am innocent, as it is my right to do.

And I wonder what horrors would be in store as a result of that peaceful, non-violent, legal act. The outcome may depend on the cop and the situation, but we are assuming a situation in which they feel it necessary to be pointing a gun at you (and made this decision without even knowing if you were dangerous or anything else) in the first place.

Demanding even a "good cop" to lower their weapon before you do as they ask might be not only infuriating (it might be to the average person, too), but they might consider it against security policy or something.

But I demand not to be treated like a slave, and I don't care if that makes them feel uncomfortable.

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Does this look like how you would treat an innocent citizen, or a slave that gets tossed around until you feel like tossing around the next one?

I probably would say things to cops, though. Things like "Please don't kill me. Please don't kill me. Please don't kill me." until they get the point that pointing a gun at someone is traumatic.
 
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The trouble with a lawsuit for damages is that the perpetrators aren't the ones paying, it is the rest of the citizens. Hopefully the police officers who did this will be at least fired, but I'm not about to hold my breath. In order to prevent this from recurring, the offending officers themselves need to be held personally accountable.

Fired??? are you kidding me they will get a reward
 
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