Please Stop being Childish and Stupid. This has Only Just Begun.

[eleganz]

Yes get to work people, if you are serious about winning, you'll be effective with your voice and energy and not just stay on the internet speculating about this and that.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

+rep How the hell can coming in last place be the best possible thing? The only delusions I see are people who think placing 2nd 3rd or last is some kind of winning formula.

How easy is it to sit at the back of the pack and watch positions shifting in the front and go, see we'll get our chance up there one day...

Come on. There is no possible way to win the nomination without getting first place in some state some where. Where? What state? Ron Paul needs to take a stand. The campaign needs to take a stand. The grassroots needs to take a stand. Waiting around at the back of the pack for the others to blow a flat is an unacceptable strategy for winning.

You go full throttle or you go home.

I will not settle for this last place mentality. It's just as childish and stupid as thinking that Ron Paul can win every state. He can't. There is a finite amount of time and finite amount of states to win. As each state ticks by and as time moves forward in this process, every day without a win is a lost day.

No point in giving up, when you are in last place, there is nothing left to give.

Agreed. Regardless of the delegate count up to this point, the electorate bases much of their decision off of media attention on a particular candidate. While Romney losing South Carolina puts a major dent in his armor, Paul has done very little to gain momentum. Voters don't care about the results of New Hampshire. South Carolina and soon to be Florida will be fresh in their minds. With Paul coming in fourth in South Carolina and most likely another last place finish in Florida, how is he going to be able to grab the spotlight away from Gingrich and Romney? I'm not giving up on this race but at the same time I refuse to wear rose-colored goggles and pretend that Paul is just going to magically pull a rabbit out of a hat.

 

[hueylong]

Newt winning is the best possible thing. The OP explains clearly why. You are just parroting the MSM mantra about 'perception and momentum'. As mentioned, that is total BS.

No one is happy with last in SC. But your whining negative posts do not help and you have no idea what you're talking about. Tell me about one winning campaign you have managed and I will listen.

 

[georgiaboy]

watching the intro Omaha beach segment of "Saving Private Ryan" as I read through this thread.

Apropos.

We're just getting our sea legs.

 

[Butchie]

I am holding off my "positivity" until I see something worthwhile done on the part of Ron and the campaign to deal with the FP issue, if that isn't addressed everything else is pointless. I am well aware we can still win this thing, but not without some adjustments on that crucial issue, it's what I hear time and again out in the field. If he could just take some pointers from Sen Davis on how to present his case he'd have this thing locked up media or no media.

 

[newbitech]

Newt winning is the best possible thing. The OP explains clearly why. You are just parroting the MSM mantra about 'perception and momentum'. As mentioned, that is total BS.

No one is happy with last in SC. But your whining negative posts do not help and you have no idea what you're talking about. Tell me about one winning campaign you have managed and I will listen.

come on hueylong, I for one do not watch tv nor do I simply repeat what I hear from the MSM. You blow off perception and momentum as if it has nothing to do with winning. Yet, if it is so unimportant, why does Ron Paul and the campaign feel the need to emphasize this in the latest "Onward" funding letter?

2nd paragraph 3rd sentence.

Thanks to everyone who worked so hard in the Palmetto State to spread our message and help continue our momentum! ​

If perception has nothing to do with winning the nomination, then why is Ron Paul and the campaign pushing SO HARD, the perception that Ron Paul is the

one candidate in this race who has the organization, the resources, and the volunteers to compete nationwide with establishment candidate Mitt Romney – and only one candidate whose name will appear on every ballot with Mitt Romney’s.​

Again, 3rd paragraph of the latest fundraising email.

We all know that voters are not voting based on records and issues. Pretending like those things don't matter is the same problem that the GOP has with pretending like Ron Paul doesn't matter. Not only is that ignorant, it also displays a willfulness to remain out of touch with the people you need to help you win, IF THAT IS REALLY YOUR GOAL.

I'd like to see a show of hands for those who have managed a winning NATIONAL campaign. Otherwise, I've managed several successful marketing campaigns where people voted with their dollars.

There is a saying, strike while the iron is hot. That speaks directly to perception and momentum. Ron Paul is ice cold in the national race at this point. He will be dropping to near absolute zero in 10 days after Florida. It is pretty clear to me why that is, and it has to do with the campaign NOT striking while the iron is hot.

That is, the campaign has not taken advantage of the perception and momentum that Ron Paul HAD after N.H. and Iowa. That is just too bad. I hope he can recover, but I am just flat not buying the so called "delegate strategy". That same crap was unloaded on these forums 4 years ago. I think he'll get 3-4 times the amount of delegates that he got in 2007. Know what that gets him? He might not have to pay for a 2nd venue in Tampa to rally the troops for yet another 4 years of status quo. The time is now. Not in Feb. 4th or Super Tuesday, for the campaign and Ron Paul to start winning.

Every day that goes by without a victory is a loss. The losses are mounting and the lackadaisical attitude of the campaign, and SOME supporters is demoralizing.

You accuse people of whining, yeah, people are hurting out here. That might not be a problem for someone who has the time in resources to devote to friggin' politics.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Newt winning is the best possible thing. The OP explains clearly why. You are just parroting the MSM mantra about 'perception and momentum'. As mentioned, that is total BS.

No one is happy with last in SC. But your whining negative posts do not help and you have no idea what you're talking about. Tell me about one winning campaign you have managed and I will listen.

It's not parroting but rather pointing out the reality of the situation at hand. Much of the voting public (especially Republicans) gets their news from the MSM and will perceive either Romney or Gingrich as being the most electable candidates because they're WINNING! Instead of waiting for Gingrich to trip, Paul needs to win a state in order for the public to take a chance on him.

 

[Okie RP fan]

It's not parroting but rather pointing out the reality of the situation at hand. Much of the voting public (especially Republicans) gets their news from the MSM and will perceive either Romney or Gingrich as being the most electable candidates because they're WINNING! Instead of waiting for Gingrich to trip up, Paul needs to win a state in order for the public to take a chance on him.

This is why we need to double time our efforts as Florida passes by and take Minnesota, Colorado, Nevada, etc.

 

[Butchie]

come on hueylong, I for one do not watch tv nor do I simply repeat what I hear from the MSM. You blow off perception and momentum as if it has nothing to do with winning. Yet, if it is so unimportant, why does Ron Paul and the campaign feel the need to emphasize this in the latest "Onward" funding letter?

2nd paragraph 3rd sentence.

If perception has nothing to do with winning the nomination, then why is Ron Paul and the campaign pushing SO HARD, the perception that Ron Paul is the

Again, 3rd paragraph of the latest fundraising email.

We all know that voters are not voting based on records and issues. Pretending like those things don't matter is the same problem that the GOP has with pretending like Ron Paul doesn't matter. Not only is that ignorant, it also displays a willfulness to remain out of touch with the people you need to help you win, IF THAT IS REALLY YOUR GOAL.

I'd like to see a show of hands for those who have managed a winning NATIONAL campaign. Otherwise, I've managed several successful marketing campaigns where people voted with their dollars.

There is a saying, strike while the iron is hot. That speaks directly to perception and momentum. Ron Paul is ice cold in the national race at this point. He will be dropping to near absolute zero in 10 days after Florida. It is pretty clear to me why that is, and it has to do with the campaign NOT striking while the iron is hot.

That is, the campaign has not taken advantage of the perception and momentum that Ron Paul HAD after N.H. and Iowa. That is just too bad. I hope he can recover, but I am just flat not buying the so called "delegate strategy". That same crap was unloaded on these forums 4 years ago. I think he'll get 3-4 times the amount of delegates that he got in 2007. Know what that gets him? He might not have to pay for a 2nd venue in Tampa to rally the troops for yet another 4 years of status quo. The time is now. Not in Feb. 4th or Super Tuesday, for the campaign and Ron Paul to start winning.

Every day that goes by without a victory is a loss. The losses are mounting and the lackadaisical attitude of the campaign, and SOME supporters is demoralizing.

You accuse people of whining, yeah, people are hurting out here. That might not be a problem for someone who has the time in resources to devote to friggin' politics.

Thank you, and I'm tired of being accussed of being a troll and various other things, it's BECAUSE I want to win so bad that I get upset when I see this whole thing slipping away and when I raise concerns based on the feedback I'm hearing from voters I'm told to shut up and just donate more money and "trust Ron, he knows what he's doing". Sorry, I love Ron, but he is not a god, he is a human being like you and me and no one should ever refuse to take advice.

 

[hueylong]

"Perception and Momentum" are a factor. But they are just that -- factors. Romney was the dead lock until he wasn't. You can't freak out over the narrative coming out of one primary.

The media always tries to impose their narrative, and often fails.

In any event, your complaining serves no purpose -- other than to waste our time.

And I'm waiting to hear what campaigns either of you have run.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

This is why we need to double time our efforts as Florida passes by and take Minnesota, Colorado, Nevada, etc.

I agree but what's unfortunate about Paul ignoring SC after gaining momentum from the 2nd place finish in NH is that Gingrich is already receiving a boost in polls coming out of Minnesota (there is a PPP thread that discusses this). While Paul can spend all the time in the world (well, the next few weeks) in Minnesota, Nevada, etc, will it be enough to combat the media attention that Gingrich and Romney will continue to receive as they battle for Florida?

If Paul is going to spend his resources out west, he can't afford to take days off like he was in SC. He either wins a couple of these caucus states or he won't even be mentioned by the time Super Tuesday rolls around. The campaign can no longer afford to wait it out like they have been doing. Gingrich is now back on top as the anti-Romney candidate and another victory or close 2nd in Florida may be all the momentum he needs to kick Paul to the curb.

 

[newbitech]

"Perception and Momentum" are a factor. But they are just that -- factors. Romney was the dead lock until he wasn't. You can't freak out over the narrative coming out of one primary.

The media always tries to impose their narrative, and often fails.

In any event, your complaining serves no purpose -- other than to waste our time.

And I'm waiting to hear what campaigns either of you have run.

Yeah, waste of time, just like trying to campaign in Florida. Sure it's a wide open race, except for Florida. Romney was supposedly a lock for Florida too. Remember that? Except people aren't listening to what people in Florida have had to say about that.

You didn't hear me in here talking about blowing off the state, because I know if the movement could focus it's energy with the campaign as each contest progresses, we'd do much better than quadrupling support.

People act like that is some big achievement. It isn't as far as THIS nomination is concerned. Do people understand that Ron Paul will need TEN TIMES the support that he got in 2008 to be competitive?

No they don't, apparently. I don't care HOW many campaigns you have run, common sense is friggin common sense. You don't blow off any advantage when the odds are stacked against you. You don't ignore ANY chance to change perception when the fact is you need TEN TIMES the amount of support that you currently have to make an impact. You certainly don't take momentum for granted when each day that passes without success or achievements degrades your overall performance.

I answered your question about managing campaigns.

My complaining serves the purpose to bring to light that optimism from a dedicated supporter is something to be earned, not taken for granted. Give me a reason to be optimistic, hell just stop giving me reasons to doubt.

Right now, I have a pretty good reason to doubt that the campaign has any idea of how they are going to win. They aren't merely rolling with the punches, they are getting steamrolled.

The only saving grace is apparently some strategy to TRICK popular support from the other candidates by sending in SPIES and INSURGENTS in to the nominating process to PRETEND like they will vote for someone else and at the LAST MINUTE say, oops we really want Ron Paul.

What a load of horseshit. Anyone with half a brain knows that crap isn't going to be swallowed. Win it by convincing people you are right, not by taking advantage of their ignorance. Talk about mimicking the MSM. heh.

If that is how "we" win, then thanks but no thanks. I signed up for truth, honesty, transparency, integrity. You know, the things Ron Paul stands for. If that is the level "we" have to stoop to in order to win, then Ron Paul may as well come out and say he will nuke the shit out of Iran if they mention Israel one more time.

 

[Watch]

I know who the real Huey Long is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_Our_Wealth
Yeah this guy

OUR HueyLong is different.
I agree with the OP's message 100%

I'm just being snarky mentioning Share Our Wealth, I don't get up in arms over MLKjr wanting Socialism in America either.

 

[bpitas]

This is why we should not be upset:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2012/calculator/

It's funny, I've been making this argument for a week now but I haven't seen a site that so clearly shows how close things are because most other sites have Romney getting 31 delegates because of crap like DC and Peurto Rico, as if they automatically go to Romney.

 

[realtonygoodwin]

Thank you, and I'm tired of being accussed of being a troll and various other things, it's BECAUSE I want to win so bad that I get upset when I see this whole thing slipping away and when I raise concerns based on the feedback I'm hearing from voters I'm told to shut up and just donate more money and "trust Ron, he knows what he's doing". Sorry, I love Ron, but he is not a god, he is a human being like you and me and no one should ever refuse to take advice.

Agreed. Sticking your head in the sand and saying everything is fine and is all going according to plan isn't going to work very long.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah, waste of time, just like trying to campaign in Florida. Sure it's a wide open race, except for Florida. Romney was supposedly a lock for Florida too. Remember that? Except people aren't listening to what people in Florida have had to say about that.

You didn't hear me in here talking about blowing off the state, because I know if the movement could focus it's energy with the campaign as each contest progresses, we'd do much better than quadrupling support.

People act like that is some big achievement. It isn't as far as THIS nomination is concerned. Do people understand that Ron Paul will need TEN TIMES the support that he got in 2008 to be competitive?

No they don't, apparently. I don't care HOW many campaigns you have run, common sense is friggin common sense. You don't blow off any advantage when the odds are stacked against you. You don't ignore ANY chance to change perception when the fact is you need TEN TIMES the amount of support that you currently have to make an impact. You certainly don't take momentum for granted when each day that passes without success or achievements degrades your overall performance.

I answered your question about managing campaigns.

My complaining serves the purpose to bring to light that optimism from a dedicated supporter is something to be earned, not taken for granted. Give me a reason to be optimistic, hell just stop giving me reasons to doubt.

Right now, I have a pretty good reason to doubt that the campaign has any idea of how they are going to win. They aren't merely rolling with the punches, they are getting steamrolled.

The only saving grace is apparently some strategy to TRICK popular support from the other candidates by sending in SPIES and INSURGENTS in to the nominating process to PRETEND like they will vote for someone else and at the LAST MINUTE say, oops we really want Ron Paul.

What a load of horseshit. Anyone with half a brain knows that crap isn't going to be swallowed. Win it by convincing people you are right, not by taking advantage of their ignorance. Talk about mimicking the MSM. heh.

If that is how "we" win, then thanks but no thanks. I signed up for truth, honesty, transparency, integrity. You know, the things Ron Paul stands for. If that is the level "we" have to stoop to in order to win, then Ron Paul may as well come out and say he will nuke the shit out of Iran if they mention Israel one more time.

No, we only need 3.5 times 2008's numbers to win the nod, and we've done that in every sate so far, including SC.

Fighting the delegates battle is not deceptive, it's the way Presidential primaries have been fought since, well, 1789.

I am confused by your umbrage.

 

[anewvoice]

+rep, this will be a long slog, do not despair for we are strong