Please convince me of statism!

This answer is proof positive of why you guys fail so hard yet like the garbage truck running at Trinity in The Matrix you drive right into the brick wall whilst thinking yer taking out yer target. But don't worry Conza..one of your crew will be here to scrape you from the brick wall you hit and continue this line of horseshit as though you have never had umpteen mishaps on your route to pure failure through lack of proper thought experiment revolving around the actual way in which the world works, with actual real people doing real things and living real lives.

Yer Pal
Rev9

The only way you can say the purpose of the US Constitution is to limit the size of the state; is by denying how it first came into being.

To deny reality. To be guilty of logical fallacy. Compared to the Articles of Confederation; the US Constitution was an increase in the size of government... TO THEN SAY ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT CAME ABOUT OF THIS; THAT THE US CONSTITUTION IS "A LIMITER" is absurd.

It's called mythology. It's called cognitive dissonance. It's called intellectual error.

You are guilty as charged. But once again; just more bs about me with no valid arguments. Pretty violent stuff Rev.. would you hire a gang of people called 'the government' to force me into your system?

How about do it yourself? Rev? Would you put a gun to my head and pull the trigger if I didn't obey your threats?

No? You wouldn't hire a gang of criminals writ large (government) to come force me into your system? You wouldn't put the trill yourself? No? Then what is your problem? :rolleyes: Save your pathetic tough man rants, grow up and act like an adult.
 
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So I'll take that as a no, then. Good enough. You've made your views known. Seems like at this point, you can leave the thread and let the adults handle the discussion from here.

...it's like having a discussion with a thesaurus... :rolleyes:

Apparently the use of multisyllabics renders you incompetent, yet you have the temerity to insist adults handle the discussion as though you qualified irregardless of your inability to properly parse sentences that use words with multiple syllables.

I am to take this juvenile horseshit seriously??

Yer Pal
Rev9.
 
The only way you can say the purpose of the US Constitution is to limit the size of the state; is by denying how it first came into being.

To deny reality. To be guilty of logical fallacy. Compared to the Articles of Confederation; the US Constitution was an increase in the size of government... TO THEN SAY ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT CAME ABOUT OF THIS; THAT THE US CONSTITUTION IS "A LIMITER" is absurd.

It's called mythology. It's called cognitive dissonance. It's called intellectual error.

You are guilty as charged. But once again; just more bs about me with no valid arguments.

Loop the loop rhetoric is standard for your contingent. Typical deflection and obfuscation with dead end alley propositions that are asked to be refuted when on the face of the claim they make it is a closed loop all gussied up like some two bit drag queen hooker. Might fool those drunken by this bogus political philosophy who see the icon of their fantasies, but for those who remain sober to the realities of the real world it looks like a frakking man in a dress. The Constitution is a limiter. This is a real world analyzable truth and all the mental gymnastics and fingerpointing you can come up with does not change this. Neither does your appeal to the manner in which it came into being alter that fact.

Feel free to jump up and down and gesticulate wildly. The alpha or beta simian in you will adore your antics.

Yer Pal
Rev9
 
Apparently the use of multisyllabics renders you incompetent, yet you have the temerity to insist adults handle the discussion as though you qualified irregardless of your inability to properly parse sentences that use words with multiple syllables.

I am to take this juvenile horseshit seriously??

Yer Pal
Rev9.

Take it however you want, pal. For instance, I take it that your "use of multisyllabics" and your tendency to weave rambling thoughts with poor and/or misplaced metaphors is intended to mask the fact that you're... well... just not very good at this sort of thing. There's nothing wrong with that, but throw in the the tough-guy act and it gets pretty silly.

You haven't made a single point nor contributed to the thread in any way other than to attempt to derail it and to cast personal attacks.

Don't take it any way at all, Rev9. If you can't contribute to the thread, leave it the hell alone.
 
Take it however you want, pal. For instance, I take it that your "use of multisyllabics" and your tendency to weave rambling thoughts with poor and/or misplaced metaphors is intended to mask the fact that you're... well... just not very good at this sort of thing. There's nothing wrong with that, but throw in the the tough-guy act and it gets pretty silly.

You haven't made a single point nor contributed to the thread in any way other than to attempt to derail it and to cast personal attacks.

Don't take it any way at all, Rev9. If you can't contribute to the thread, leave it the hell alone.
I completely disagree with you Son of Liberty. His points are spot-on. Your inability to understand is the source of your confusion.
 
I completely disagree with you Son of Liberty. His points are spot-on. Your inability to understand is the source of your confusion.

I "understand" as much as there is to understand. I can imagine that you do agree with his points, in that his "points" are nothing more than hyped up insults, and attempts to deflect a perfectly good discussion because he and you are apparently offended by it.

There's no place in the discussion for you and he to be personally offended by the topic. If you don't care for the topic, leave it alone.

Not once have you or he even so much as attempted to discuss the OP. You irrationally hate anarchism. Irrationally. As in, you cannot substantiate it. If you could, you would deal with the OP.
 
I "understand" as much as there is to understand. I can imagine that you do agree with his points, in that his "points" are nothing more than hyped up insults, and attempts to deflect a perfectly good discussion because he and you are apparently offended by it.

There's no place in the discussion for you and he to be personally offended by the topic. If you don't care for the topic, leave it alone.

Not once have you or he even so much as attempted to discuss the OP. You irrationally hate anarchism. Irrationally. As in, you cannot substantiate it. If you could, you would deal with the OP.

Baloney, you just live in a fantasy world of games. The state is reality.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-of-statism!&p=3427742&viewfull=1#post3427742
 
Don't you all just love the violent imagery the likes of this guy uses? Seems like he can't make a sound point, unless it has to do with shooting someone, kickin' some butt, or driving a garbage truck through someone. Grr... I'm an internet tough guy! RAWR! Watch out while I lay the smack down! <RAGE!!11!>

Heh. You will get better at this if you keep trying. I have made more than enough sound points. Your ignorance of them is par for the course, as though i should just keep reiterating that which has already been pointed out, elucidated and been done with. Furthermore your heightened and incongruently violent sense of the nature of my metaphors and actual usage of such by myself is illustrative of the understanding and retention gap practiced by many of your contingent, leading to a plethora of nonsense and false accusations.

Rev9
 
The Constitution is a limiter. This is a real world analyzable truth and all the mental gymnastics and fingerpointing you can come up with does not change this.

Yer Pal
Rev9

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed


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:D. So, Rev - why am I & Ron Paul wrong?
Do you have an argument; or will you continue to talk like some kind of deranged pirate? :confused: Attacking me instead of the argument. Notice: you didn't answer any of my legitimate questions. Standard intellectual dishonesty. :(
 
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"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed


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That's for sure. Ron Paul is right on. The Constitution has to be enforced to be effective.
 
By each of us. The only rights any of us have are those we are willing to stand-up for.

The only de facto rights. Spot on. So while a piece of paper grants 'legal rights', it means absolutely nothing if they are illegitimate, or don't actually receive protection or respect in said society. Correct.

So how do we organise to protect our rights?

Ron Paul in Liberty Defined said:
The government is incapable of doing what it's supposed to do. A job like the provision of security is something best left to private institutions.

Ron Paul in Liberty Defined said:
If we reflect on how security works in the real world, we discover a huge and important role for private enterprise, and we find that the vast government apparatus of "national security" does not keep us safe so much as threaten our liberties by regarding the entire citizenry as a threat. Private security does not threaten our civil liberties, but government-provided security does.

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HT: Wesker1982 - Ron Paul and Private Courts (defence, arbitration etc.).
 
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and the AoC were an increase to the DoI. So the fuck what? Once the anarchist dismantle the constitution, they will then go ahead and dismantle the AoC, on their way to dismantling the DoI, and finally feel comfortable in the throws of the Revolutionary war, where people actually did fight and die to change "the State".

Oh no! A Declaration of Independence! We can't have that! It is the root of "the State"!

We have some honest anarchist, then we have people like COnza who are blaming the United States for problems on an island (AUstralia) that the people on these forums have no control over.

Conza wants to put up this front like he is really getting in to Ron Paul and the Campaign for Liberty in the United states, but he only shows up when the spot light is on the Freedom Fighters in AMerica.

He likes to fancy himself as some kind of global freedom fighter, and its clear he doesn't give a crap about the campaign, ROn Paul, Ron Paul's philosophy, and the philosophy that this forum, and many hard working America;s are trying embrace and teach to their neighbors.

Instead, Conza attacks the very root and core of AMerica since he has YET to figure out what the real root issue is.

It would be great if there was a true grassroots following around the globe COnza, but with folks like you ignoring your own problems in your own backyard, and further coming over to someone else's backyard and taking out your frustration on them, it won't happen.

Stand down Conza, watch as America once again leads the world back to liberty and freedom. By your actions, that is what you expect, but your words betray your hypocrisy. It is unfortunate, I'd love to see you make some inroads against Tyranny on your island. But alas, you are waiting for America to lead, and since your only hope for anarchy seems to rely on people in another country doing something that you yourself are not willing to do in your own country, I fear you will eventually be disappointed.

YOur only real hope is to disengage yourself and let the chips fall where they may. I don't see you doing that either, because your anger and hatred for what AMerica has done to you personally will not allow you withhold your angst as you actively seek to piss off as many of your potential allies as you possibly can.

Too bad you can't see that your request has been met in this thread over and over again. Your form of dismissing opinions and commentary is no at all philosophical, argumentation, logically consistent, constructive, or conducive to any type of resolution. You seek to frustrate and belittle anyone who does not share your opinion, and blind yourself from the truth of what anyone who disagree's with you may have to say.

Pathetic little troll, only worthy of confrontation as a means of limiting the damage you have become so adept at dishing out, and certainly worthy of defending against since your target and audience are the very demographic that the status quo in AMerica is attempting to manipulate. You are the tool of the elite, the patsy, and my personal symbol of willful ignorance which I believe is a manifestation of the systematic commercial brainwashing of the world by the global banking cartel.

Please, carry on =)
 
The only de facto rights. Spot on. So while a piece of paper grants 'legal rights', it means absolutely nothing if they are illegitimate, or don't actually receive protection or respect in said society. Correct.
The constitution and bill of rights do not grant rights. Our rights are inherent. The Bill of Rights states that those rights cannot be taken away.

So how do we organise to protect our rights?
It is up to each of us to stand-up for our rights. The only way one can do that is to learn what rights one possesses and defend them.
 
and the AoC were an increase to the DoI. So the fuck what? Once the anarchist dismantle the constitution, they will then go ahead and dismantle the AoC, on their way to dismantling the DoI, and finally feel comfortable in the throws of the Revolutionary war, where people actually did fight and die to change "the State".

Oh no! A Declaration of Independence! We can't have that! It is the root of "the State"!

We have some honest anarchist, then we have people like COnza who are blaming the United States for problems on an island (AUstralia) that the people on these forums have no control over.

Conza wants to put up this front like he is really getting in to Ron Paul and the Campaign for Liberty in the United states, but he only shows up when the spot light is on the Freedom Fighters in AMerica.

He likes to fancy himself as some kind of global freedom fighter, and its clear he doesn't give a crap about the campaign, ROn Paul, Ron Paul's philosophy, and the philosophy that this forum, and many hard working America;s are trying embrace and teach to their neighbors.

Instead, Conza attacks the very root and core of AMerica since he has YET to figure out what the real root issue is.

It would be great if there was a true grassroots following around the globe COnza, but with folks like you ignoring your own problems in your own backyard, and further coming over to someone else's backyard and taking out your frustration on them, it won't happen.

Stand down Conza, watch as America once again leads the world back to liberty and freedom. By your actions, that is what you expect, but your words betray your hypocrisy. It is unfortunate, I'd love to see you make some inroads against Tyranny on your island. But alas, you are waiting for America to lead, and since your only hope for anarchy seems to rely on people in another country doing something that you yourself are not willing to do in your own country, I fear you will eventually be disappointed.

YOur only real hope is to disengage yourself and let the chips fall where they may. I don't see you doing that either, because your anger and hatred for what AMerica has done to you personally will not allow you withhold your angst as you actively seek to piss off as many of your potential allies as you possibly can.

Too bad you can't see that your request has been met in this thread over and over again. Your form of dismissing opinions and commentary is no at all philosophical, argumentation, logically consistent, constructive, or conducive to any type of resolution. You seek to frustrate and belittle anyone who does not share your opinion, and blind yourself from the truth of what anyone who disagree's with you may have to say.

Pathetic little troll, only worthy of confrontation as a means of limiting the damage you have become so adept at dishing out, and certainly worthy of defending against since your target and audience are the very demographic that the status quo in AMerica is attempting to manipulate. You are the tool of the elite, the patsy, and my personal symbol of willful ignorance which I believe is a manifestation of the systematic commercial brainwashing of the world by the global banking cartel.

Please, carry on =)

Well, gee, looky there... another half-page diatribe against Conza.

Was this post meant to Convince Me of Statism?
 
Well, gee, looky there... another half-page diatribe against Conza.

Was this post meant to Convince Me of Statism?

The point of this thread was not to convince anyone of statism, you know that, I know that, the OP knows that. So let's stop playing games after 400 posts shall we? The OP got his answer, yet the OP is still pushing the underlying reason for the post. Let's talk about that underlying reason.

If you or the OP want to discuss the Topic Facade, then stop ignoring and pretending like the OP hasn't been addressed, there is plenty of material on that. I chose to address what I believe is the real topic of this thread. If you'd like to respond to what I believe is the real topic, you can do that too. I'd be happy to engage you in either of those discussion, but if your response is always gonna be some short thoughtless answer to what I type, then I'll just continue to pump out page after page of my thought stream for your reading pleasure.
 
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