Planning for Rand Paul 2020

[Badger Paul]

"He's said he won't be a candidate who runs every cycle, and for 2016 he was taking his shot. I'm sure he could still be convinced if the time comes again, but not if half the so-called liberty movement and sunny day patriots are going to spend that time undermining his campaign. "

Oh so that's why Rand got 5% in Iowa, because Lew and Tom said bad things about him on a podcast? No, my friend the only persons responsible for this campaign and its failures is the man at the very top. He was the one who made the decisions, some going back to 2010 when he first won Senate primary, which brought about this defeat six years later. And no amount of phone calls, GOTV, 10,000 students and precinct captains was going to change this. Yes it was a tough environment to run in but the good politicians make the best of bad environments. And they also know when not to run when the electoral tides are against them, which is just as important. It's time this movement get beyond the Pauls because if Rand runs again in 2020 if will be the fourth straight election cycle a Paul has run and then we're entering into Harold Stassen/Ralph Nader/Eugene McCarthy territory. You only get a couple of chances at this and if Rand wants to make such a run in the future he better do so a). When he actually wants the job and will be willing to do what it takes to win and b). When the time is right.

 

[Makes Interesting Points]

Who the heck is Adam Kokesh?

*looks up*

When I saw he is somewhat of an anarchist, I got worried. Often, those anarchist types that pure libertarians endorse are too valueless for me. So I found him talking about social issues in a video from 2010. He basically wants every social issue to go to the states, which would create both more freedom (obviously) but also allow more states to have socially conservative laws. So he passes the morality test, unless he's changed from 2010. Will likely support this guy in 2020. Maybe with Rand as Vice President if Rand doesn't run, and with Ron as Vice Vice president! Imagine the funny tickets we could have in 2020, like Carson/Kokesh.

 

[ds21089]

The underlying problem is that liberty just isn't popular. People don't want the truth, they want to have their fears stoked by Fox News.

So utilize fear as well but in favor of our platform. No doubt that media organizations use psychologists when creating stories / scripts to invoke emotion the most in order to manipulate thought. There's no reason he couldn't do the same, but instead steer the fear to the right direction. Instead of ISIS is gonna kill us all here if we arent over there we can say "The only way to truly defeat ISIS is to stop toppling the leaders there and work with them temporarily to defeat ISIS. We need to sweep them with overwhelming force instead of creating power vacuums for ISIS to grow". Along the campaign trail, as was the case with Rand he did the best against Hillary, but they never reported that. Another way to invoke fear (at least to Republicans, hell I think a lot of Democrats too) wouldve been to actually post how well Rand (or any liberty candidate in the future) does against the supposed corrupt frontrunner on the other side and state that "If we dont want that horrible person to win, we need to vote for this person who does the best against them" It will ALWAYS be the liberty candidate that does the best in drawing support from both sides, because that's one thing people from every party can agree on. This is why you will see so many people all over social media who are Democrats who support Rand.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

How about a campaign to get people off anti-depressants so they get mad and actually do something about it?

 

[Spikender]

"He's said he won't be a candidate who runs every cycle, and for 2016 he was taking his shot. I'm sure he could still be convinced if the time comes again, but not if half the so-called liberty movement and sunny day patriots are going to spend that time undermining his campaign. "

Oh so that's why Rand got 5% in Iowa, because Lew and Tom said bad things about him on a podcast? No, my friend the only persons responsible for this campaign and its failures is the man at the very top. He was the one who made the decisions, some going back to 2010 when he first won Senate primary, which brought about this defeat six years later. And no amount of phone calls, GOTV, 10,000 students and precinct captains was going to change this. Yes it was a tough environment to run in but the good politicians make the best of bad environments. And they also know when not to run when the electoral tides are against them, which is just as important. It's time this movement get beyond the Pauls because if Rand runs again in 2020 if will be the fourth straight election cycle a Paul has run and then we're entering into Harold Stassen/Ralph Nader/Eugene McCarthy territory. You only get a couple of chances at this and if Rand wants to make such a run in the future he better do so a). When he actually wants the job and will be willing to do what it takes to win and b). When the time is right.

You are being ridiculously harsh on Paul. You are aware of the fact that the Pauls are hated by the establishment and that they pull out every stop they can to keep them from getting elected to the Executive Branch, correct? Not saying Paul couldn't have done a lot better, I have criticized him heavily in the past, but to say it's all his fault and that he "didn't want the job" is fucking retarded. I'm absolutely sure you're aware of the ample evidence out there, both video and text, that shows how Ron Paul was fucked out of the Presidency. No doubt the media covered Trump non-stop to help push Rand and others out of the public view, not to mention that they asked him multiple times if he's "disrespected his father" or "thought about how stupid his libertarian views are". Then there was the used cars salesman Cruz stealing Rand's platform.

It was the perfect storm to keep Rand out of the race. Rand could've done a lot more, true, but I don't doubt for one second that he wanted the Presidency.

 

[Joeinmo]

You are being ridiculously harsh on Paul. You are aware of the fact that the Pauls are hated by the establishment and that they pull out every stop they can to keep them from getting elected to the Executive Branch, correct? Not saying Paul couldn't have done a lot better, I have criticized him heavily in the past, but to say it's all his fault and that he "didn't want the job" is fucking retarded. I'm absolutely sure you're aware of the ample evidence out there, both video and text, that shows how Ron Paul was fucked out of the Presidency. No doubt the media covered Trump non-stop to help push Rand and others out of the public view, not to mention that they asked him multiple times if he's "disrespected his father" or "thought about how stupid his libertarian views are". Then there was the used cars salesman Cruz stealing Rand's platform.

It was the perfect storm to keep Rand out of the race. Rand could've done a lot more, true, but I don't doubt for one second that he wanted the Presidency.

Totally agree, the establishment knew Rand was going to run in 2016, bring in a nobody Cruz former Bush campaign head and Trump, Cruz was the talk radio establishment choice and Trump the TV establishment choice ...then give Rand the black out treatment.

If you want a winner you can't blame Rand, the Liberty people (you and me) have done nothing to take over the GOP, we take it over we win, it's up to us. This election is not over we have excellent opportunities to make huge gains in Natcom members and state party orgs. That is how we win

 

[EBounding]

I say stop worrying about the presidency and even most federal races. Focus on local and state governments. It's not flashy, but the Federal gov't isn't going to suddenly become "limited and constitutional" until people see it from their local and state representatives.

 

[Maltheus]

His next senate term aside, I don't see him running for office again.

 

[DP714]

If the GOP wins the Presidency, he will not be running in 2020. If a Dem wins, he might decide to run. Regardless, I do predict that Rand will be a much bigger and more brazen thorn in the ass of the establishment during his next and final term as Senator.

 

[adam220891]

His next senate term aside, I don't see him running for office again.

I think it depends. If he wins his Senate race, he is on the hook for another 6 years. So winning in 2020 only adds 2 more years of politics (for 1 term) and if he doesn't win, he knows he can gracefully ride off into the sunset in 2022.

Political environment and passion would need to align just right. He would need to go full liberty mode and quit the pandering.

 

[69360]

Adam Kokesh plans to run in 2020. Not many people have gone through such extremities to defend liberty / expose the removal of freedoms as he. He is a veteran, has a voice which projects strength, a good debater, and isn't afraid to call out bullshit whether it be from media or other candidates. If Rand isn't running, I think Kokesh would be our best bet. I think he can manage to get a lot of the people who supported Trump this election as well as the people who supported Rand.

My only concern though is that his arrest records will be reported on left and right.. not that he ever was arrested for something justifiable..but still.

If you really believe that, I think you are either willfully ignorant or in need of professional help for your delusions.

 

[ds21089]

If you really believe that, I think you are either willfully ignorant or in need of professional help for your delusions.

Care to elaborate instead of throwing out insults? Perhaps there's something I've missed, but I've always seen him mentioning the constitution and sticking up for it as well as campaigning for Ron like crazy. Also who do you think would even be running that would be any better?

 

[idiom]

I think Rand should focus on a governorship for Kentucky.

If he can't run a State, he can't run a country.

If libertarian principles are right, then Kentucky should become the hot state to be in under his leadership.

 

[invisible]

I say stop worrying about the presidency and even most federal races. Focus on local and state governments. It's not flashy, but the Federal gov't isn't going to suddenly become "limited and constitutional" until people see it from their local and state representatives.

This! x 50 states

 

[Peace&Freedom]

I'd say start to move the emphasis away from the Pauls. Campaign for liberty, YAL et al should lock around vetting a few new people (Woods, Napolitano, Kokesh, Thiel, etc) to see which ones are willing to don the mantle of the Pauls by utilizing their network and infrastructure in 2020.

 

[Joeinmo]

Not so sure about that

If the GOP wins the Presidency, he will not be running in 2020. If a Dem wins, he might decide to run. Regardless, I do predict that Rand will be a much bigger and more brazen thorn in the ass of the establishment during his next and final term as Senator.

What really would matter is what that GOP President did in that term...I can see Rand taking on a sitting President

 

[Joeinmo]

I think Rand should focus on a governorship for Kentucky.

If he can't run a State, he can't run a country.

If libertarian principles are right, then Kentucky should become the hot state to be in under his leadership.

I think Rand has bigger issues with foreign policy and the Fed, governor can't do that

 

[gosmo]

Adam Kokesh plans to run in 2020. Not many people have gone through such extremities to defend liberty / expose the removal of freedoms as he. He is a veteran, has a voice which projects strength, a good debater, and isn't afraid to call out bullshit whether it be from media or other candidates. If Rand isn't running, I think Kokesh would be our best bet. I think he can manage to get a lot of the people who supported Trump this election as well as the people who supported Rand.

My only concern though is that his arrest records will be reported on left and right.. not that he ever was arrested for something justifiable..but still.

You think the American people are going to elect someone who has publicly ingested psychedelic drugs on his YouTube channel to the presidency?

 

[invisible]

You think the American people are going to elect someone who has publicly ingested psychedelic drugs on his YouTube channel to the presidency?

Every candidate not named Rand is obviously on acid, they just aren't taking their drugs in public view.

 

[KEEF]

At least the slogan and campaign theme should be something around: Rand Paul 2020 A better vision for America

Would be fitting for an optimologist.