Planned Parenthood

[berrybunches]

I don't know what section to put this and I wanted to discuss my experience with others to see if it was unique.

I had been scared to go to the female doctor for over a year because everyone (private practice) I go to, especially my last one, are so incompetent, always misdiagnosing and are very expensive, not to mention not very friendly or warm. I would break down over teh fact that no doctor seemed to care about me.

My boyfriend mentioned planned parenthood for price reasons (I am going through a divorce and have no money) and I didn't want to go because I figured it would be very shoddy service.
Finally I break and I go because It was very necessary I do something and I couldn't afford the $300 quotes that private practice was offering me - $300 just for a check up and a "new patient" fee.

Anyway, I went not expecting much of anything but it turns out the doctor I got was the warmest, friendliest, most caring and most professional women I have ever met in the field. She spent an hour trying to figure out what was wrong with me. I was so happy that someone actually cared, after years of grief, that I actually cried right there. No one has ever worked that hard for me before.

I do not believe they should be government funded per say but I will NEVER go to a private practice doctor again after the service I received there. It was 100x better quality than private practice.
When I get my finances as good as they use to be I think I am going to go there and pay full price. It was truly phenomenal service - at least at my location.

Besides for taking away rights aspect this also made me double think public health care arguments. Surely I do not want the government involved much due to privacy reasons and taking away health choice and for tax reasons but as far as the arguments for quality go against public health from my experience they don't apply.


Any thoughts on this?? Anyone else ever go and have an opposite experience? As a die-hard anti-government activist I am just so shocked that the best service I ever had was from public-like health services.

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

I love PP. I have never felt uncomfy when going. They have affordable visits, they hook you up with tons of free BC if you ask for it, and they have always had great service. The pill is also cheap there. I used to get it for like $17 a month which would have easily cost me 50/month had I gone thru private care and gotten it thru my insurance at the pharmacy. I have also sent friends there before when they were having typical woman problems and they were able to walk in and get it taken care of. STD testing is cheap and affordable as well if you are sexually active and responsible about it.

 

[cheapseats]

I have had comparable experience. Those years first out of college were tight. Even with no debt, there were always too many uses for too little pay. It bears mention, however, that because shysters were not sweet-talking abominably paid people into credit cards with 18.9% interest and homes with no money down, I did not ACCUMULATE debt. A doctor's visit, though, would cut into the Barney's Beanery budget. Los Angeles had Free Clinics. Also, I presume it is the same, you could go to the dental school at either university and be worked on for cheap (teeth cleanings and fillings only, not surgery) by a third-year dental student, with a dentist/professor strolling the aisles of chairs and peeking over shoulders. WONDERFUL concept.

HEALTH IS NOT MEANT TO BE A FOR-PROFIT SCHEME
JUSTICE IS NOT MEANT TO BE A FOR-PROFIT SCHEME​

A child understands this.​

 

[Bruno]

dubious roots, if the info linked here is true

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

 

[raystone]

Using Planned Parenthood for some services is like using the Third Reich to keep the peace. "Yeah, I'll just use the police force. Oh, they offer Jew extermination, too ? No, thank you".

http://www.studentsforlife.org/index.php/plannedparenthoodstudy/

http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

that site is kind of biased. Because PP does do abortions there is a lot of controversy with christian groups and pro life groups etc. I do remember having to be buzzed into a locked door to get in, cameras being all over the place, and something about terrorism on the wall and what to do if something happened. It was kind of like having a drs apointment at one of those check cashing places lol

All I know is that when I had to get things checked out down there to get put on the pill, and I had no money I did not really have much of a choice and went there. They were awesome to me, gave me great care, hooked me up with tons of free birth control etc. when I couldn't get help elsewhere. They never forced anything upon me. They were very professional, that I continue to go because I prefer going there rather than to a private obgyn. They also did a blood test on me which included thyroid and some other stuff that would have cost me 500 bucks at a private dr and charged me like 15 bucks for it.

 

[Bruno]

that site is kind of biased. Because PP does do abortions there is a lot of controversy with christian groups and pro life groups etc. I do remember having to be buzzed into a locked door to get in, cameras being all over the place, and something about terrorism on the wall and what to do if something happened. It was kind of like having a drs apointment at one of those check cashing places lol

All I know is that when I had to get things checked out down there to get put on the pill, and I had no money I did not really have much of a choice and went there. They were awesome to me, gave me great care, hooked me up with tons of free birth control etc. when I couldn't get help elsewhere. They never forced anything upon me. They were very professional, that I continue to go because I prefer going there rather than to a private obgyn. They also did a blood test on me which included thyroid and some other stuff that would have cost me 500 bucks at a private dr and charged me like 15 bucks for it.

$336 Million of taxpayer dollars goes a long way. Free for you, but paid for through other's taxes (and donations, of course). The site may be biased, but I do not believe the research on the founding of the company or Sanger herself is in question. Some there certainly help through the kindness of their hearts, but the founder's visions were less altruistic.

btw, my 12-year old son is alive today because of protesters at an AZ Planned Parenthood. They gave me enough pause to reconsider my actions, and my girlfriend and I left that day without finishing what we went there for.

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

$336 Million of taxpayer dollars goes a long way. Free for you, but paid for through other's taxes (and donations, of course). The site may be biased, but I do not believe the research on the founding of the company or Sanger herself is in question. Some there certainly help through the kindness of their hearts, but the founder's visions were less altruistic.

btw, my 12-year old son is alive today because of protesters at an AZ Planned Parenthood. They gave me enough pause to reconsider my actions, and my girlfriend and I left that day without finishing what we went there for.

Just to make things clear, I have never had an abortion and never will. The first time I went was for getting on the pill so I wouldn't get pregnant. I have made multiple trips back for visits when I needed.

As for it being free, it wasnt.

I still had to shell out about 80 bucks for a visit. They have payment plans etc. for people who cannot just pay up front. You cannot do this with private care. That is part of what the OP was speaking about. The service is GREAT compared to any private doctors ive been to.

 

[yongrel]

The people I've met that work for Planned Parenthood have been universally groovy people.

 

[Bruno]

Just to make things clear, I have never had an abortion and never will. The first time I went was for getting on the pill so I wouldn't get pregnant. I have made multiple trips back for visits when I needed.

As for it being free, it wasnt.

I still had to shell out about 80 bucks for a visit. They have payment plans etc. for people who cannot just pay up front. You cannot do this with private care. That is part of what the OP was speaking about. The service is GREAT compared to any private doctors ive been to.

I didnt mean to imply that, sorry. I know many people receive positive services, some of which help prevent abortions. I've been the benficial party of numerous past girlfriends that used their services for birth control.

The costs are low due to the taxes/donations, as I'm sure you're aware. It's subsidized, though almost everything is these days, and that will only increase under the Obama administration.

I'm sure their service can be outstanding.

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

I didnt mean to imply that, sorry. I know many people receive positive services, some of which help prevent abortions. I've been the benficial party of numerous past girlfriends that used their services for birth control.

The costs are low due to the taxes/donations, as I'm sure you're aware. It's subsidized, though almost everything is these days, and that will only increase under the Obama administration.

I'm sure their service can be outstanding.

Yeah, I know NOW that it was funded by govt. Back then I didn't know and didn't care. Now I am totally against national healthcare but with PP its a little different imo.

I just think of it like this in order to justify it which may be flawed somewhat. How many more pregnant women would we have, and how many of those women would be depending on the system if we didnt have something like PP giving out BC. Also, something like 1 in 4 sexually active people today have an STD. PP gives very affordable STD panels for sexually active people. Male and Female, and will treat it at an affordable cost to the patient. Just think about if those people werent getting treated. What would the stats be if there wasn't affordable healthcare for those people.

 

[danberkeley]

How many more pregnant women would we have, and how many of those women would be depending on the system if we didnt have something like PP giving out BC.

Perhaps people would be more careful if subsidized birth control wasnt provided by the government.

Also, something like 1 in 4 sexually active people today have an STD. PP gives very affordable STD panels for sexually active people.

Perhaps people would be more careful if subsidized STD medication wasnt provided by the government.

Male and Female, and will treat it at an affordable cost to the patient.

At the expense of others.

Just think about if those people werent getting treated. What would the stats be if there wasn't affordable healthcare for those people.

Perhaps the stats would be lower since people would actually be financially responsible for their actions.

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

Perhaps people would be more careful if subsidized birth control wasnt provided by the government.



Perhaps people would be more careful if subsidized STD medication wasnt provided by the government.



At the expense of others.



Perhaps the stats would be lower since people would actually be financially responsible for their actions.

I understand what you are saying, however your argument is kind of like that of the marxist argument. Sounds great on paper but never works in the end because people are in it for themselves in the end. Humans are greedy, and they are horny.

People mainly have sex because they're in it for the pleasure. Why would people be worried about financial responsibility when they are horny enough to be putting themselves at risk for AIDS and other diseases out there that they cannot get rid of through today's medicine. Many of these STDs are thousands of years old. Responsibility has not stopped them yet. Same goes with pregnancy. There was a shit load of babies born before the government ever got involved and the people were "responsible" for themselves. The pull out method doesn't work.

Most of these people are kids and young adults who don't worry about things such as financial responsibility and the government because thats the last thing ANYONE thinks about when they are having sex. These are the ones who then get something unknowingly, and then end up passing it along to the next kid out there and so on. PP has brought some of these peeps in, to get treated, cured or whatnot so they don't pass it along to the next person because they have made it widely available and accessible to people. These persons could be anyone, your son or daughter perhaps. I mean if you are in a household of 4 people statistically 1 of those people has something that they cannot get rid of, and CAN unknowingly pass to another person. How cool is that?

 

[danberkeley]

I understand what you are saying, however your argument is kind of like that of the marxist argument. Sounds great on paper but never works in the end because people are in it for themselves in the end. Humans are greedy, and they are horny.

People mainly have sex because they're in it for the pleasure. Why would people be worried about financial responsibility when they are horny enough to be putting themselves at risk for AIDS and other diseases out there that they cannot get rid of through today's medicine. Many of these STDs are thousands of years old. Responsibility has not stopped them yet. Same goes with pregnancy. There was a shit load of babies born before the government ever got involved and the people were "responsible" for themselves. The pull out method doesn't work.

Most of these people are kids and young adults who don't worry about things such as financial responsibility and the government because thats the last thing ANYONE thinks about when they are having sex. These are the ones who then get something unknowingly, and then end up passing it along to the next kid out there and so on. PP has brought some of these peeps in, to get treated, cured or whatnot so they don't pass it along to the next person because they have made it widely available and accessible to people. These persons could be anyone, your son or daughter perhaps. I mean if you are in a household of 4 people statistically 1 of those people has something that they cannot get rid of, and CAN unknowingly pass to another person. How cool is that?

Sounds like the argument for as to why we have the mortgage crisis. It was GREED! I put into consideration that perhaps the government encourages risky sexual behavior by eliminating much of the risk involved in being sexually active. Why worry about getting pregnant? The government will subsidize the abortion. Why worry about gettin an STD? The government will subsidize the medication. So why should I be forced to pay for you to have safe sex? Why should I be forced to pay for the ignorance and the stupidity of others?

 

[lucius]

Planned Parenthood is instrumental in class war.

Planned Parenthood retains an active role in the scientific dictatorship's project of eugenical regimentation today. Despite revelations of Nazi atrocities constituted a public relations disaster for the organization, Planned Parenthood survived and continues to tangibly enact Sanger's vision. In many ways, Sanger's vision synchronized with the Weltanschauung of the power elite. The underlying reason for this synchronicity is elementary. Simply stated, Sanger and other Malthusian ideologues are instrumental in class war.

ps: John D. Rockefeller Jr was one of Sanger's largest benefactors.

[Steps back in amazement and there you have it...]

Good read, alittle long:

Although the Nazis' eugenical Holocaust of WWII constituted an enormous public relations disaster for proponents of eugenics, the movement would later resurface under the banner of population control and radical environmentalism. Researchers Tarpley and Chaitkin document this transmogrification:

The population control or zero population growth movement, which grew rapidly in the late 1960's thanks to free media exposure and foundation grants for a stream pseudoscientific propaganda about the alleged "population bomb" and the limits to growth," was a continuation of the old prewar, protofascist eugenic movement, which had been forced to go into temporary eclipse when the world recoiled in horror at the atrocities committed by the Nazis in the name of eugenics. By mid-1960's, the same old crackpot eugenicists had resurrected themselves as the population-control and environmentalist movement. Planned Parenthood was perfect example of the transmogrification. Now, instead of demanding the sterilization of the inferior races, the newly packaged eugenics talked about the population bomb, giving the poor "equal access" to birth control, and "freedom of choice." (George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, 203)

Indeed, Planned Parenthood successfully carried the banner of eugenics into the post-WWII era. Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger, a virulently racist woman who touted the slogan: "Birth Control: to create a race of thoroughbreds." Her manifesto, entitled The Pivot of Civilization, thoroughly delineates the mission of Planned Parenthood and its allied organizations in the eugenics movement. In this treatise, which featured an introduction written by Freemason and Fabian socialist H.G. Wells, Sanger reveals the true motives underpinning the promotion of birth control:

Birth Control, which has been criticized as negative and destructive, is really the greatest and most truly eugenic method, and its adoption as part of the program of Eugenics would immediately give a concrete and realistic power to that science...as the most constructive and necessary of the means to racial health. (The Pivot of Civilization, 189)

Sanger believed that society's tolerance of "morons," "human weeds," and the "feeble-minded" was encouraging dysgenics. To remedy this purported genetic threat, Sanger unabashedly promoted the implementation of authoritarian measures:

The emergency problem of segregation and sterilization must be faced immediately. Every feeble-minded girl or woman of the hereditary type, especially of the moron class, should be segregated during the reproductive period...we [refer the policy of immediate sterilization, of making sure that parenthood is absolutely prohibited to the feeble-minded. (The Pivot of Civilization, 101-102)

Understand these are the words of a so-called "proponent of reproductive rights." Moreover, Sanger desired to see the establishment of a gulag system within America for the internment of the "feeble-minded." In an issue of Birth Control Review, she wrote:

To apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted...to apportion farm lands and homesteads for these segregated persons where they would be taught to work under competent instructors for the period of their entire lives... ("Plan of Peace," 107-08)

[Not much liberty in that message...]

Although Sanger's gulag system was not formally enacted in the United States, her vision saw horrible fulfillment in Nazi German. It comes as little surprise that Planned Parenthood's board of directors included Nazi supporters such as Dr. Lothrop Stoddard, author of racist tract entitled The Rising Tide of Color Against White Supremacy. In fact, Birth Control Review acted as a conduit for the dissemination of Nazi propaganda in America. In April of 1933, Dr. Ernst Rudlin, Hitler's director of genetic sterilization and founder of the Nazi Society for Racial Hygiene, published an article in Birth Control Review. Entitled "Eugenic Sterilization: An Urgent Need," the article presented the following appeal:

The danger to the community of the unsegregated feeble-minded woman is more evident. Most dangerous are the middle and high grades living at large who despite the fact that their defect is not easily recognizable, should nevertheless less be prevented from procreation...In my view we should act without delay ("Eugenic Sterilization: An Urgent Need," 102-04)

Of course, in Rudin's native country, the "feeble-minded" did not remain "unsegregated" for very long. The same year that Sanger's publication printed Rudin's article, Ernst collaborated with Heinrich Himmler on Germany's 1933 sterilization law. This genocidal edict stipulated the sterilization of all Jews and "colored" German children. Eventually, the "undesirables" were collected, segregated, and systematically murdered--The final result of the Nazi eugenics program was the Holocaust.

Yet, how many people would have been segregated for orderly disposal according to Sanger's vision? Upon examination of army statistics, Sanger concluded that:

...nearly half--47.3 percent of the population had the mentality of twelve-year-old children or less--in other words that they are morons. (The Pivot of Civilization, 263)


Sanger expressed dismal hopes for a vast segment of the population, declaring that: "only 13,500,000 will ever show superior intelligence" (The Pivot of Civilization, 264). Thus, only a meager 13.5% of the population would be permitted to procreate. The rest would be segregated for orderly disposal. Evidently, Sanger's holocaust would have even dwarfed Hitler's Final Solution.

In typical Darwinian fashion, Sanger showed little mercy towards the weak. In fact, Margaret expressed a distinct aversion towards the poor. Chapter Five of her book is entitled "The Cruelty of Charity." Reiterating Malthus proposal to "disclaim the right of the poor to support," she wrote:

Organized charity itself is...the surest sign that our civilization has bred, is breeding and is perpetuating constantly increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents and dependents. (Sanger, The Pivot of Civilization, 108)

Sanger particularly loathed:

...a special type of philanthropy or benevolence,...which strikes me as being more insidiously injurious than any other...to supply gratis medical and nursing facilities to slum mothers. (The Pivot of Civilization, 114)

According to Margaret, such and investment of time, effort, resources, and love represented the height of futility:

...we are paying for and even submitting to the dictates of an ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all...(The Pivot of Civilization, 187)

Planned Parenthood retains an active role in the scientific dictatorship's project of eugenical regimentation today. Despite revelations of Nazi atrocities constituted public relations disaster for the organization, Planned Parenthood survived and continues to tangibly enact Sanger's vision. In many ways, Sanger's vision synchronized with the Weltanschauung of the power elite. The underlying reason for this synchronicity is elementary. Simply stated, Sanger and other Malthusian ideologues are instrumental in class war.

[Steps back in amazement and there you have it--the puzzle pieces fit nicely...]

ps: John D. Rockefeller Jr was one of Sanger's largest benefactors.

From pages 93-7 in The Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship (ISBN: 14196-3932-3)

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

Sounds like the argument for as to why we have the mortgage crisis. It was GREED! I put into consideration that perhaps the government encourages risky sexual behavior by eliminating much of the risk involved in being sexually active. Why worry about getting pregnant? The government will subsidize the abortion. Why worry about gettin an STD? The government will subsidize the medication. So why should I be forced to pay for you to have safe sex? Why should I be forced to pay for the ignorance and the stupidity of others?

You shouldnt HAVE to pay for anything, but guess what we do and it sucks. People are going to be stupid and ignorant especially when it involves sex. I'm sure you haven't always been the responsible angel when it comes to sex. I am speaking of preventative care, so that YOU or someone you care about does not end up with something in the long run. I don't want to pay taxes for shit. However since we are paying taxes here Id rather them go towards something like that much more than I would want it going towards the peeps who just dont give a shit and continue to make babies and pass STDs around like theres no big deal. Thats all I'm sayin'.

 

[lucius]

^^

 

[pinkmandy]

We don't have PP in our area. We do have state funded health departments, though. If states want to do that, then that's up to the state taxpayers imo and not having rampant STD infections is probably in the state's best interest. We also have a donation supported low income medical center and it has been around for a long time. Federally funded healthcare is not something I support whether it's paying for PP or medicaid.

Unfortunately in today's reality there needs to be low cost healthcare available until we get rid of the health insurance industry and doctors charge reasonable fees- preferably locally funded, though. I know, as a woman, that if you've ever complained of a cramp insurance rates skyrocket and if you don't have employer coverage you are screwed. You get labeled with unknown pre-existing conditions. Then there are maternity costs as well which are so high, partly because doctors fearing liability suits rush to c-sections that probably aren't necessary and cost 5x as much as a normal delivery which costs way, way more at a hospital than in a birthing center with a midwife. It's all such bs. Women have some fickle parts and many just aren't educated enough to treat these things themselves (yet) and end up in the ER creating an even bigger taxpayer burden.

We have a local family doctor who doesn't take insurance and just charges a reasonable office fee. I'm not sure how he does it w/liability insurance costs as our family has been on his waitlist for a year- he is VERY busy. I have insurance but wouldn't be able to use it with him. It would be worth it, though, as he is a doctor who supports natural remedies when available (he went to med school in Japan and learned quite a bit there about non-traditional treatments). I wish we had more doctors stepping out like this one. He was an ER doctor at a local hospital and just walked away from it and opened his own practice. That is what needs to start happening- doctors just saying NO to the insurance industry. That would go a long, long way to repairing our healthcare system.

 

[Wendi]

You do realize that when you take advantage of these free & reduced price services, someone else (me, and every other taxpayer on this board) is paying for it, right? And, because I am paying for it, I don't have money to spend on my own healthcare. I make too much money to get free stuff from the government (too bad they take it all away from me, and spend it on you)

 

[Rael]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate for them to call themselves UNPLANNED Parenthood? Birth control and abortions? These people arent planning to become parents.