Phonebanking Platform for Iowa

[parocks]

I see what's going on there. Stop doing that.

Or, change it to a poll.

Change the name to something generic.

At this point, just get the data.

I like the technology of the website.

It's very possible and very reasonable for the campaign not to want you to do this for any number of good reasons.
The more you distance yourself from the direct selling of Ron Paul (which is what the campaign does), and more on
just identifying voters without directly attaching Ron Paul's name to it, the more the official campaign is not going to mind what you do.

It would be fairly easy to make these changes, just change the script.

Sign up and make calls at:
www.rp2012.org

It's easy and fun and you're helping Ron Paul in the MOST important event of the entire campaign!

PS The call list is for all voters in Ames, Iowa.

 

[Avalon]

I agree that even if someone were to (unofficially) call on behalf of RP, asking them to attend the straw poll 2.5 months out is not a good idea. Instead, if interested, they should be letting them know about local, upcoming events like the rally (GOTV efforts should occur the week of). But most of all they need to locate individuals who are interested in RP or sympathetic, which can be achieved through polling. As for push polling with the results, I only think that makes sense if you can cross reference the list with likely straw poll or caucus voters. Getting someone who isn't going to either turned off on a candidate doesn't help us; it's just a waste of time. Even if you do limit it to likely straw poll and caucus voters, the "front runner" usually changes a few times leading up to the primary. Mccain came from nowhere last time...push polling against mittens or huckabeast would have only helped him. Instead I think we need to use the data we gather on non RP supporters to later attempt conversion (hopefully by the campaign). Asking them what their most important issue is this election season is key; we can tailor our pitch to that. The overall data should also help the campaign tailor it's message in Iowa in general.

 

[parocks]

Excellent, you seem to be in agreement with much of what I'm thinking.

I don't agree with the value of push polling, regarding only likely caucus goers.
I do agree that questions in the poll should address whether or not the person was likely to go caucus or to the straw poll,
and that we would start with most likely straw poll most favorable supporters of the candidate we want to target. Or whatever
permutation we want to do. I'm not suggesting that we start push polling as soon as we have any usable data, I'm saying that we
should gather the useable data, and, if we choose to do push polling, we can. I can think of scenarios where changing the opinion of someone
who is not going to the caucus could be valuable - they can tell other people about what they learned about the other candidates.

I also think that we can actually do a pretty good job of figuring out who is worth hitting. Key fact, Democrats nominate fresh faces, Republicans don't.
So any non famous candidate is not going to win. The argument is over "who is famous". I"d argue that Paul, Palin, Gingrich, Romney, Bachmann, Giuliani are famous
enough to win. None of the rest.

But the core point, that we agree on, is that a good, useful poll script instead of a "go to the straw poll" script could be useful in many ways, gathering the data we
want on Iowa voters to use in whatever ways we think are best. Certainly, the Ron Paul supporters will be contacted by someone, ideally from the campaign, and they can be given the Ron Paul message.

 

[The Dark Knight]

could someone explain to me what GOTV is?

 

[parocks]

Get
Out
The
Vote

moving the bodies on election day. Identify your supporters before election day, then you get them out to vote.
keeping track of who on your list has shown up, and who hasn't and call them during the day, and you try to get everyone
you want to vote to vote. It would likely work differently in a caucus than a primary.

 

[tobefree]

We are making calls...

Wanted to share a success story. One of our callers from Georgia on his very first call a couple weeks ago spoke to a Democrat who is a Ron Paul supporter that committed to going to the Straw Poll. His friends are also Ron Paul supporters and thinks he can get 4-5 others to attend. I followed up a week later to confirm and we have 5-6 potential attendees! I'm going to call the person the end of June to get a hard count. (This supporter has already gotten two calls from us and I'm going to follow up with a third... so much for calling too much .. this is called nurturing a lead to some.. to me we are just making new friends of liberty in Iowa!)

I made just 50 calls today and got one Ron Paul supporter who was going to be away Aug. 13th. I told her to see if she can find friends, family, neighbors that are supporters and that I'll follow up in a month. She told me she doesn't know too many people that are supporters, but she will do her best.

Anyways, it will usually take probably take between 200-500 calls to get one supporter.... but imagine if we get 1,500 people doing this and we only get 5 commitments each.. that'll give us 7,500 commitments!! This is a numbers game and we need all our volunteers on board!

Please join us:
www.rp2012.org

BTW we are mainly calling Independents with some voting history except in Ames and those that are ages 18-25. (We are calling all voters in those categories)

 

[RachelFaith]

Good Luck Tobefree. We are very very glad for your efforts. Do not be discouraged by naysayers or "official" posters who care more about how good they look to the media and their fellow hacks while making a big fat paycheck off our donations. We are the real movement. We are the grassroots. There are 3 million numbers to call people, so sign up and get going. There is no way we will reach them all without hundreds perhaps thousands of callers.

 

[parocks]

Rachel, have you turned your data over to the official campaign, as Steve asked you to?

BTW, Ron Paul approves of Steve and the other paid campaign staffers. Are you saying Ron Paul is wrong?

 

[belian78]

I just got a notification on one of the meetups I'm a member of, of a new guy advertising this phone banking in his intro. I checked his page and he is posting this on hundreds of RP associated meetups all across the country!

I thought this had been dealt with!?

 

[trey4sports]

I just got a notification on one of the meetups I'm a member of, of a new guy advertising this phone banking in his intro. I checked his page and he is posting this on hundreds of RP associated meetups all across the country!

I thought this had been dealt with!?

I have no problem using the campaigns platform, once it's released.

 

[parocks]

The Campaign asked for the freelance phonebanking to stop, but it apparently hasn't, yes?

I just got a notification on one of the meetups I'm a member of, of a new guy advertising this phone banking in his intro. I checked his page and he is posting this on hundreds of RP associated meetups all across the country!

I thought this had been dealt with!?

 

[belian78]

That guy has the banking info on his intro and he just joined yesterday.

 

[rp08orbust]

I see what's going on there. Stop doing that.

Or, change it to a poll.

Change the name to something generic.

At this point, just get the data.

I like the technology of the website.

It's very possible and very reasonable for the campaign not to want you to do this for any number of good reasons.
The more you distance yourself from the direct selling of Ron Paul (which is what the campaign does), and more on
just identifying voters without directly attaching Ron Paul's name to it, the more the official campaign is not going to mind what you do.

I agree. The campaign was aware of the robopoll I did in Florida and had no objections to it. It consisted of a neutral listing of candidates (with Ron Paul last), and only those who chose Ron Paul were directed to ronpaulwinsflorida.com. I think it would be much easier to come up with the money needed to make a 1,000,000 robocalls than it would be to get 1,000 volunteers to make 1,000 phone calls each by August 13. A robopoll among 1,000,000 Iowans would produce a very manageable list of Ron Paul supporters who could be called manually and encouraged to attend the Ames straw poll.

 

[RachelFaith]

I have no problem using the campaigns platform, once it's released.

Me either. But, it's been a month now and zippo movement. Vaporware?

 

[belian78]

Mayne they had to stop their plans because there were a few hardheaded morons out there that would rather harm the campaigns efforts than actually give them a bit of faith.

 

[RachelFaith]

Mayne they had to stop their plans because there were a few hardheaded morons out there that would rather harm the campaigns efforts than actually give them a bit of faith.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. They were going to get 200 buses, but those pesky grassroots stopped that from happening too. And we really scared off all the county fair promoters in Iowa because the campaign would have covered all 99 if we hadn't been getting in their way. It is all our fault. If all of us reckless and out of control insane supporters would just STFU and leave them alone, everything would be fine. I suppose that we are also to blame because they have only raised one million on each money bomb day and not two million? We are all spies and saboteurs working for Romney too I bet.

I got two words for you: Occam's Razor.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Rachel, if you want to organize something as a grassroots project, go ahead. But, this constant bashing of the campaign is getting pretty tiring. If you see some void you think needs to be filled, go forth and fill it.

Did you hear the great news? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?297855-Ron-Paul-has-hired-Doug-Wead

 

[parocks]

Agree. I'd argue though that the campaign should do this. But what you're proposing is better than some open ended, call people up and talk about Ron Paul system.

I agree. The campaign was aware of the robopoll I did in Florida and had no objections to it. It consisted of a neutral listing of candidates (with Ron Paul last), and only those who chose Ron Paul were directed to ronpaulwinsflorida.com. I think it would be much easier to come up with the money needed to make a 1,000,000 robocalls than it would be to get 1,000 volunteers to make 1,000 phone calls each by August 13. A robopoll among 1,000,000 Iowans would produce a very manageable list of Ron Paul supporters who could be called manually and encouraged to attend the Ames straw poll.

 

[parocks]

Ok, Occam's Razor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Here's some simple explanations for the campaign's behavior. The campaign believes that untrained grass roots people can get off message and end up hurting more than helping. The campaign does not want grass roots people from out of state arguing with Iowans. The campaign wants the calls to be made so that they can use the data most efficiently. A ton of good reason for why the campaign does not want grass roots doing any number of things.

If you'd like to help the campaign by covering a county fair, contact the campaign and ask for instructions. Much of grass roots can be, and should be, supervised by the campaign. And if the campaign doesn't want you to do something, you should listen to them and follow their instructions.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. They were going to get 200 buses, but those pesky grassroots stopped that from happening too. And we really scared off all the county fair promoters in Iowa because the campaign would have covered all 99 if we hadn't been getting in their way. It is all our fault. If all of us reckless and out of control insane supporters would just STFU and leave them alone, everything would be fine. I suppose that we are also to blame because they have only raised one million on each money bomb day and not two million? We are all spies and saboteurs working for Romney too I bet.

I got two words for you: Occam's Razor.

 

[parocks]

I found this on Facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/RP2012IA - Iowa for Ron Paul

It is imperative we're ALL out recruiting more Ron Paul supporters to join us at the Ames Straw Poll in August! Be sure to be in contact with your respective regional coordinator!
District 1: Rachel Kania ([email protected])
District 2: Ani DeGroot ([email protected])
District 3: Cuylor Reeves ([email protected])
District 4: Rocco Moffa ([email protected])
Polk Co: Ryan Flowers ([email protected])

I assume that all grass roots people have contacted your respective regional coordinator, yes?